Irish anarchist paper Workers Solidarity 78 online

by Des - SP Mon Nov 10, 2003 12:34

The issue is certainly a good read, but we must never forget Kronstadt

by padraic - wsm Sat Nov 08, 2003 00:46

thanks for the compliment hs, if you're interested the title and most of the quotes came from a range of articles discussing the social forums on the pga website: http://www.nadir.org/nadir/initiativ/agp/free/wsf/index.htm
(god, people from the sp saying nice things about anarchist projects, next thing you know we'll sa something nice about the 'voice' and then where will it end?)

by James Fri Nov 07, 2003 21:05

Don't think producing a paper is all that controversial. Just one way to get across your ideas to people you don't have a whole lot of personal contact with.
Anarchists have always produced written material. In the far distant past The CNT in Spain had 36 DAILY papers across Spain. Presumably lots of these were local variations. Solidarid Oberra in Barcelona had a circulation of a 1/4 million. They had periodicals as well.

As for having it out for events, though we are pretty poor for it generally, it does make sense; if you go to the trouble of writing something you hope a good few people will read it.

by hs - sp Fri Nov 07, 2003 16:39

Well you just can't please some people!!! Seems the ultra ultra left anarchist are against newspapers now.

But onto the article on social forums, found it very interesting and nice to read something which is a little critical. The thing to remember about the social forums is they were mainly set up by organisations. In Italy we have groups as diverse as Oxfam and Rifondazione Communista and Catholic groups involved. In my experience the social forums seem to have different make ups depending on the city or village. But they are by no means "revolutionary" or even anti capitalist. I attended the first national meeting of the Forums about two years ago, there big differences opened up. One I remember was to organise a counter demo to Berlusconis pro war demo (during the afghan war). The charities and the religious groups were aginst it in case of violence, the parties and the unions were for it. In the end it went ahead and put 150,000 on the streets against Berlusconis 30,000. There was no trouble.
They are excellent forums for organising diverse groups and most ended up coming behind the workers movement in the general strikes. But like everything we should see it for what it actually is, and anarchist they are not. very interesting article though.

by Chekov Fri Nov 07, 2003 16:31

Actually, I would like to know. You can't dismiss everybody as a troll. I think it's quite possible that some people may genuinely hold this view and if so I'd like to know why. At least by entering into debate you sort the trolls from the genuine folk pretty quickly and can sometimes learn something about how you are perceived by others. Having said that, I doubt that we're dealing with anything but a troll here.

As for your insinuation about the coffee, how dare you? This is only my twelfth cup today. Grrrr.

by The Seagull Fri Nov 07, 2003 13:56

Chill out dude. You are letting yourself be provoked by a troll, lay off the Espresso.

by Chekov - WSM (personal capacity) Fri Nov 07, 2003 13:51

On what grounds is this comparison made? Is it merely the fact that we have produced a paper or do you think that the comparison is more profound? I would be interested to know.

As for the timing, we produce our paper according to a schedule although we do try to make sure that we have issues ready for events where we think that there may be people who are interested in anarchist ideas. To me this is just common sense and organisation, to you it is apparently something different. Care to expand?

by Andrew Fri Nov 07, 2003 13:50

we are actually 2 months and 7 days late. Issue 79 should have come out 7 days back in time to advertise the Gathering. I don't think issue 78 (above) is back from the printers yet so I'm afraid we probably won't have it for the Gathering.

But I guess that's not really your point, huh?

by Shocked (Yawn) Fri Nov 07, 2003 13:31

Its the SWP of the anarchist world!!!!!!!!!!

Papers out in time for GG and the D6, cooshy, We have all been warned