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SEA Convention in Derry

category national | anti-capitalism | opinion/analysis author Friday March 05, 2004 16:15author by Janus Report this post to the editors

Socialist revolutionaries and the use of force

I seem determined to start a row today :) but this is a genuine issue.

I was reading my copy of the Socialist Woker, as all good workers and socialists do, and I read an account of the Convention of the Left held in Derry in February.

It seems 80 people attended, including CPI, SWP, Green, IRSP and non members. Interestingly, in a shocking departure from SW journalism standards, the figure of 80 was described as 'disappointing' and not 'massive' 'larger than expected' or 'a sure sign of the interest among radical workers.'

The thing I'm interested in is that at the end of the meeting the IRSP walked out when it was made clear to them that the SEA's opposition extended to any party with a military wing.

So, fair enough. I'll shed no tears for those child abusing bastards.

And my question isn't really to do with the IRSP, or any Northern based political party, but with the theory.

Revolutionaries accept that a revolution is unlikely to be bloodless. Therefore some sort of armed organisation or structure will be required to either defend workers, or go on the offensive against reactionary forces.

Presumably it would be seen as necessary for this armed group to be under the control of the political section of the revolution to counter a move to rampant militarism.

So basically, if the SWP is a revolutionary organisation, does it accept that force might be necessary, and if it does, does this not suggest that arms, and an armed group subordinate to the SWP, might be necessary to carry out armed actions? In short, does the SWP need an armed wing? Or does it have one already?

And with the image of Marnie Holborrow in olive green battle dress I'll wander away for a bit.

This btw, is a completely theoretical question, but I'm very, very bored.

 #   Title   Author   Date 
   Revolution By Any and All Means Necessary     Power from the barrel of the gun    Fri Mar 05, 2004 17:03 
   Actually     Hebe    Fri Mar 05, 2004 17:31 
   militant machos at it again...     blah blah    Fri Mar 05, 2004 18:12 
   Appalling Sectarianism     SP Supporter    Fri Mar 05, 2004 19:01 
   Here we go again...     Steve    Fri Mar 05, 2004 23:38 
   Military wings dominate     Michael    Sat Mar 06, 2004 15:38 
   Arned wings     SN    Sat Mar 06, 2004 18:01 
   ????     Belfast    Sat Mar 06, 2004 19:40 
   No basis for amred struggle     Jim Monaghan    Sat Mar 06, 2004 20:53 
 10   The SEA...     Laughing    Sat Mar 06, 2004 23:19 
 11   Few points     Michael    Sat Mar 06, 2004 23:49 
 12   Middle Classes?     Emily    Sun Mar 07, 2004 20:54 
 13   Look at the results     Michael    Mon Mar 08, 2004 11:56 
 14   2001 Local elections results     SEA supporter    Mon Mar 08, 2004 16:03 
 15   I'M LOVIN IT!     Emily    Mon Mar 08, 2004 22:58 
 16   why?     SEAAAAAAH    Tue Mar 09, 2004 07:23 
 17   all anti capitalist activists have a responsibility to work together     john throne    Tue Mar 09, 2004 23:35 
 18   all anti capitalist activists have a responsibility to work together     john throne    Tue Mar 09, 2004 23:35 
 19   JT's thing was posted twice     Dean    Wed Mar 10, 2004 18:16 
 20   Well     Very Revd Dean    Wed Mar 10, 2004 18:21 
 21   well     VRD    Wed Mar 10, 2004 21:20 
 22   Do S.E.A Support Political Prisoners?     KathyAnn    Sat Mar 13, 2004 18:53 


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