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Jump To Comment: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8and well done to indymedia. it kept the world well informed with up to the minute reports and photos. Good work all round, everyone played their part in standing up for our right to protest, but we were facing a much stronger and better equiped opponent and we were never goint to get into Farmleigh, but the effort had to be made
> (nb a couple of plastic bottles were thrown along with a few placcards at this point)
this is assault, you know. I did see at least one plastic bottle filled with dirt or stones, which is quite a serious weapon. And exactly what the coppers were waiting for.
At which point do you feel that the unarmed and unarmoured police should move back and the riot-police move forward? What do the guidelines say?
So much for peaceful protest.
sean c.
That's a samba shaker you're talking about, not a serious weapon. It's used like maracas. Though of course could be thrown, but so could that bongo over there (ooh nasty) and for that matter, that video camera could do some damage if flung at full tilt.
Re the riot police thing, I think the poster was saying that there is usualy a much longer amount of time before riot police are deployed, and here it was instantaneous and at the same time as the water cannon, which went at it within like one minute.
So there was no incremental increase in the police response, just on / off or min / max kind of thing.
i was filming on the wall beside you (with glasses & dark hair). Glad to see your ok. mayb we could exchange footage?
"rules of engagement for each level of escalating force, but here what was seen was an instant transition from softly softly, to everything that was available save live ammunition.
serious questions must be asked about the proportionate nature of this episode"
Folks you got sprayed with water,no even at full whack.Great move i thought,there's not much fun in protesting when you are soaked to the skin and it's getting dark and cold.You didn't get batton charged,shoved by a few shields that's all.The public order unit only arrived after the first uniform Garda was injured.Not to mention you were blocking a major artery into the city and resident's into their homes.You hardly expected to be let stay there all night now.Don't be overreacting now lads.
and seeing the vid....
what hte hell did they need wwater cannon for... and why use water cannon so weakly.. but then ill talk water cannon any day over a batton charge
fences:
go through them,
go over them,
go under them,
BUT....
DON'T BLOODY SIT ON THEM.
it seems to me (having watched a few feet of footage) that the prime use for the water connon was to soak the streets to prevent a mass sit-down(at least after the first minute or so).
The proceedure seemed to run thusly:
Fire long bursts about 100 meters ahead of the line, moving from side to side and slowly back towards the line, target those sitting or standing directly in front of the riot police with direct jets then change to a wide spray pattern to clear the space directly in front of the cannon. Riot cops then move to the front of the cannon and begin moving forwards using shields and occassional batons on anyone left. When the crowd becomes too dense to move through or people have begun sitting down again the proceedure gets repeated (ad infinitum). In this manner people could be kept moving, there was nowhere to sit for more than a few moments without freezing and the cannons could be moved in and out of the line for refilling as necessary.
That said, there were a few instances where the use differed, eg washing the reporters off the wall and spraying the more determined in the face or the back of the head and knocking them over (and they didn't always use half power either).
The secret might be to bring rain gear next time out....