Outrage at proposed pub demolition plan for Santry

dublin | environment | opinion/analysis

Saturday January 15, 2005 21:48

by Paul Kinsella - Various

paulkinsella53 at yahoo dot com

53 Lorcan Grove, Santry, Dublin 9, Eire

085-1478100

And Super Valu supermaket getting planning permission for flag poles under false pretences

Residents of the Lorcan Estate in Santry have expressed their complete opposition to plans which have been submitted to Dublin City Council to demolish the existing Kilmardinny Inn on Lorcan Avenue, Santry, which is a single storey pub, and construct a five storey apartment development containing 23 two bedroom apartments, 26 one bedroom apartments, with a public house at ground floor level.

We are most concerned about this planning application. I attended a public meeting held by residents of the area this week and not one person in attendance was in favour of this development.

What is being proposed is completely out of character with the current landscape of the Lorcan estate. The Lorcan estate was built in Santry over 40 years ago and is particularly mature at this stage, with well tended green areas, shrubs and trees. The residents of the area are not prepared to accept a five storey development which will completely submerge our estate.

There are a number of factors that we need clarification on before we submit formal objections. I am calling for an Environmental Impact Study (EIS) to assess how much noise we would have to endure over a lengthened period, possibly up to one year or more, before this would be constructed. Secondly, we need to know if such a high rise building would impact on the daylight available to existing residents. Lorcan is a 2 storey neighbourhood. The proposed development would house a new pub at ground floor level. Who would take ownership of this pub? A superpub would not be welcome in Santry, which is a quiet, settled community, with many middle-aged and elderly residents.

As a resident of Lorcan I will endeavour to do everything in my power to support the rest of my local residents and ensure that this proposed development does not take place.

To make matters worse the local Super Valu supermarket on Lorcan Avenue in Santry were granted planning permission by Dublin City Council last year to erect 3 flag poles on the roof of their supermarket. Now however our long standing suspicions that these flag poles were not what they seemed have been proven. After months of denial from himself and his staff, when the Manager of Super Valu, Santry was confronted by Lorcan residents recently he finally admitted that the flag poles were merely camoflague for "radio transmitting devices underneath them." To us this suspiciously sounds like mobile phone masts in the middle of a built up area disguised as flag poles! Needless to say we are demanding that these radio transmitting devices are removed immediately on environmental and health grounds, and because they (Super Valu) have no planning permission for them. We have lodged a complaint of breach of planning regulations with Dublin City Council Planning Department, and in the meantime we are demanding that Super Valu remove these radio transmiting devices immediately, otherwise we will boycott the supermarket until they do so. One final thing, as far as I know it is against the law to fly the national flag (the tricolour) from dusk to dawn (at night), in which case the Super Valu supermarket on Lorcan Avenue in Santry are blatantly breaking the law (the national flag flies 24 hours a day here).

save preference

Comments (11 of 11)

Damn Right

by Sinep

Tue Jan 18, 2005 13:55

Could,nt care less what they do with the killer but I'm boycotting that Supermarket until those flags come down.. Nothing short of scumbags

Nobody objects to change

Tue Jan 18, 2005 15:04

Its just the scale of the proposed pub development and the way the supermarket went about getting their "radio transmitting devices" (mobile phone masts!?), by deceit that people object to. Certainly something needs to be done about the Kilmardinny as it is clearly far too big for today's needs. A much smaller bar perhaps playing piped music would be much better.

hello???

by Brendan

Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:36

tried to call the manager of supervalu to express my absolute horror at the situation but I couldn't get a signal on my mobile...

Killing the Killer

by The Man - The Place

Fri Feb 04, 2005 00:55

1800 the man

Yeah make the killer smaller needs music cos at the moment its like a morgue. No to HIGH RISE apartments i need my privacy. How would you feel if you woke up one morning and there was a person standing on top of a mast looking in through your bathroom window Very Sneaky on the flagpoles come phone masts and Super Valu - WHAT VALU!!! more like sneaky value

who are the Kilmardinny?

by LOL

Fri Feb 04, 2005 14:21

and what do they stand for?
are they to port or starboard?

The Killer / Super Valu

by Sandra

Thu Feb 24, 2005 13:21

sanyvofaw at hotmail dot com

I think the Killer has long needed an overhaul. It's been there for as long as I can remember and has never changed (from the outside at least). I can't speak for the inside as I have never (despite it being only five mins away from my home) been inside. I get the impression that it's a very "locals" kind of place. I would NOT like to see apartments built there instead. I have seen what the apartments in Shanowen (for DCU) are like (so far as they are built) and it looks like the whole road will be ruined because of them. This is not an apartment area -that's why there are none there already.

As for Super Valu erecting phone masts it really doesn't surprise me. That's a brutal shop at the best of times. I've given up going becuase when I drive in (according to the one way arrows) there is ALWAYS someone coming out the wrong way. So if they can't even organise a small car park its not surprising that they would stoop so low as to erect secret masts. Now there's somewhere that could do with demolition!

h williams supermarket was good value too.

by good value

Tue Aug 23, 2005 14:09

ah but they're gone now.

Kilmardinny Inn

by Niall

Sat Sep 24, 2005 20:32

Castletimon

Just get rid of Liam Murphy and the Killer would be a great place. Ya-know, different rules for different people. And DIFFERENT PINTS OF GUINNESS FOR DIFERENT PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

skip

by r mac cain

Tue Oct 25, 2005 22:00

robbiemck at eircom dot net

kilmore

0860642285

i think supervalu r right wit d flag poles i get a great a signal now and i'll b shopping there from now on.............

The Coolockers

by 40LorcanGrove

Fri Feb 29, 2008 02:34

I just found this blog/article on the net. I lived in 40 lorcan grove around 1980, back then you got Haffners sausages in H.Williams and a turnover from the Brookville Bakery, but that was back in the day of Kittys shop, and aul Paddy Byrne was in the butchers!

I remember one evening a young fella got killed getting off the black and white double decker outside H.Williams, now Supervalu, the bus ran over him after he got off it.

The Kilmardinny, later to become Kennys, was a thriving place, a pint was 60p, and there was loads of people in there at all hours of the day. Des Whelan used to live behind the pub, on Lorcan Grove, he sold the aluminium windows. Some of the local houses used to have tuck shops in them, where you could call and buy sweets! The milk float used to go round, and the bread man used to call aswell.

But when you were out playing, the older lads would warn you about the "Coolockers" coming! They'd take your bike, or your ball! That was about as menacing and threatening as things got back then, but I guess I was only 5 !

Anyway, the Kilmerdinny has to move with the times, downsize, broaden its horizons, a little cafe culture mixed in there too maybe, without knocking the "local" pub trade out of kilter. Tasteful, not tacky. definitely no, to 5 storey monsters shadowing over the mature rededential surroundings.

As for Supervalu, keep the boycott going, theyre only paying minimum wages, to the few locals who work there. They're no way loyal to you, or concerned for your welfare. Erecting phone masts on the sly - Can I tell you that Vodafone will pay up to €250,000 for a 5 year contract, if you site phone masts for them. Maybe you'll notice a nice little earner at most of the Garda stations - look closer - theyre not aerials for c.b radios!

but its worth noting that many shopping centres - and indeed apartment blocks - secretly put phone masts into the lift shafts, for a fee. I know this for a fact, im an engineer. Did you know that there were 4 masts found in the passenger lift shafts in Navan Shopping Centre - with no permission, and theres an on going row to get rid of them. So next time your in a lift in an apartment block or shopping centre, just think how close you could be, to a fully automated transmission mast.
Hmmmm!

Mick

by Alan C

Mon Apr 07, 2008 17:43

Get rid of Mick Kenny and the world would be a better place never mind the killer

Number of comments per page

Upcoming Events

New Events

Other Press

User Preferences

Feeds

Blog Feeds

Anti-Empire

The Saker

Public Inquiry

Outrage at proposed pub demolition plan for Santry

Comments (11 of 11)