Deportation today

by johnsam Tue Dec 04, 2007 23:00

Lilright and other Nigerians have a right to family reunification in Nigeria. If family reunification rather than trying to avoid the consequences of their illegal presence in Ireland is their real objective they need only go home. There is no benefit whatsoever to the Irish economy or Irish society in general, and legal immigrants in particular, by not deporting illegal immigrants. IIlegal immigration, particularly asylum cheating, undermines the social consensus which is necessary for the integration of our new and welcome legal immigrants.

Lilright's racist anti-Romanian rant does her little credit and hardly recommends her as the sort of person who would be comfortable in our diverse society.

by lilright Tue Dec 04, 2007 19:01

i think u right verymad.i dont think the biggest problem here in ireland is the immigration what they should worry about first.i think they should worry and do something about drugs and gangs how killing each other in ireland.am foreign myself.and married with an nigerian.and am proud am married with him.i think is unfair that someone how is married and living together and planing a family and a normal life as anybody else.i dont think thats a crime.am working paying tax we never ask for social welfare.and now they send us a letter that i can countinue my marriage in nigeria.my question is who is that person who decide where i have to live i have the same rights to live here as nybody else.i was pregnant by that time and the stress and all the anger i had the nights we were affraid,the days i cried.after a months i had lost my baby.and i keep on blaming the big justice people.am just wondering when Ireland wasnt rich when it was a lot of suffer when people left Ireland run to Usa, England ect.and they were immigrant as well,people was seeking asylum.And most of the irish got it .how they can get so fast what happened that time.and now they feel so big cos eu invested alot of money to this country ,i remember when they were beging people to come and live in ireland in those years.and now what left proud,racism,and deportation for people who doesnt deserv it.Some peolpe does deserv it ,who might married for documents or some of the romanians who has money but they come here to take social walfere,stealing and begging on the street.but people who doesnt do all this just want to work and live a normal life,not deserv this.u know people who is seating in a huge cars have a great life people who decide about people who just want to live a normal life .i wish one day will realize........cos what goes around comes around..................the only thing they can do destroy lifes and families.my question is why they aloud for immigrants to get married and stay for years without anythig and then one day after suffering where to find work how to get money to eat and pay rents.cos that 19 euro socal walfere hahahahahaha.i even told my husband not to take it cos we dont need that.so just one day decide oh u gonna be deported.what?whats this?thats right if they dont want immigrants here why they let them stay here for so long with nothing.why they dont do anythig staight away.nope they wait and then destroy life.thats a good game here and people seems to enjoy when they go home and seat down in their million worth house and laugh heheehe i deported another mother and children ,and destroyed another family.

Here is another good story:
i met a guy in the immigration office while we had to meet a garda.who is so happy whenever can say::"oh,sorry u have to pack ur things and get ready for deportation."anyway so i met a guy who was married.he had a work permit here and living here for so long,decided that he will bring his wife over Ireland so he traveld back to Nigeria went to the irish embassy and applied for visa.they got it staight away for 6 months and they said when they are in Ireland he can make it longer.so they traveled here after they applied for visa for another 6 months or year.then she got a letter about her deportation.that she cant proof that she is in eu for 5 years legally so she has to face deportation.

now i think this is the funniest and saddest story i ever heard.
is it not the irish peole who gave the women visa.are they really wanna make like if she came to ireland illegaly?whats wrong with them?they let people come here and then they wait and when is about time they will laugh we did it again.
i think they should open their eyes and start doing something about crime in this country first.and they should stop destroy peoples life ho doesnt deserv it.

by Herwegoagain Wed Oct 18, 2006 23:53

the Garda with the red hair is not the same as that displayed in the photo link. Believe it or not, red is a common hair colour.

As for districts, nope afraid not for all concerned, GNIB is within the B district, Summerhill is the U. They are not even beside eachother.

And exactly what have any of the Gardai supposedly done except stop people from entering a Garda building? Why is B399's number up?

One must wonder how accurate comments are when simple things like mixing Garda personel and districts up happens so frequently.

ed. - abuse removed

by curious Tue Oct 17, 2006 17:49

ONe could also argue that the current Government has facilitated the massive influx of workers from the accession states because they are a huge pool of cehap labour. As proven once again by the latest ERSI report.

by a plain man Tue Oct 17, 2006 17:07

The immigration policies introduced by McDowell have been a huge success.

The number of bogus asylum-seekers has plummeted because:
1. He has better secured our points of entry from other EU states.
2. He has introduced 'fast-tracking' for asylum applicants from the countries that are the worst abusers.
3. He has cut down the waiting period for determination of refugee status, thus removing the incentive for bogus applicants to come here on the basis that they would be able to plead they had put down roots while waiting for a decision, or disapear into the background.
4. He put an end to the Irish baby scam. Since the referendum the pregnancy rates for asylum-seekers has plummeted.

At the same time he has presided over the biggest wave of legal immigration in the history of the state. The new immigrants are of course welcomed by all. They have contributed to the vibrancy of Irish society, our economy and culture.

by no research Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:40

the truth is, Ireland population is less than 6million, what is that compared to that of the uk, france and spain

perhaps you should compare landmass also my friend, and when you do you find its actually very very high

by zac - AU Tue Oct 17, 2006 04:19

In every society, there will always be a good number of law abiding individuals and on the other hand the bad eggs. Dont you marginalise social welfare fraud to immigrants. well, some us read irish times and - all sorts happen within the state that has nothing to do with immigrants. protecting the states interest is patriotic but i think mc Dowell is running out of ideas on immigration. the truth is, Ireland population is less than 6million, what is that compared to that of the uk, france and spain.immigration is the culture of the world. u cant stop it but you can diplomatically control it. moreso, i think its a "thick" strategy, keeping asylum seekers in the state for years , spending the tax payers money on them and then abruptly incure further debt in putting them on a plane back home when that should have been done earlier with minimal spending - whats up with that? the gards need digital walkietalkie!

by citizen Y Sat Oct 07, 2006 20:52

I don't speak gibberish very well and you are not making much sense VeryMad. You now say that deportations are not the main issue, its to do with the rich getting richer - what point are you trying to make.

How the hell would you know anything whatsoever about what GNIB peoples careers have been like?

What dirty tricks are being resorted to exactly and how on earth would you know anything whatsoever about it?

Unless you are a Nigerian who was deported- sorry you say you are married to one. Are you personally acqainted with someone who was deported and who you feel the Irish state did not treat fairly - if so, please tell us in what way exactly because with your badly phrased, poorly punctuated rantings with lots of exclamation marks for effect (cringe) you are making very little sense.

by VeryMad Sat Oct 07, 2006 15:52

AWARE OF WHAT?
The public are well aware of what your legal eagle eyes, (who you can catch on every page of every newspaper this week) has led them to believe.
I think the main issue is not with deportations...this all boils down to the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, along with getting used and abused on the way down!

Yes there should be deportations with certain cases...but the people involved are resorting to dirty tricks to get as many of those people (and some did have a fighting chance to stay!) on those planes!!!

Just think...Those men in the GNIB has dealt with a lot of horror during their careers, I can only imagine the hard men they've come up against and now they've been handed the job of dealing with VUNERABLE people who don't know their rights and are NO-BODIES here in Ireland.

There is a great injustice going on here and from where I'm sitting all's I can see is fat cat's trying to protect their swollen suitcases($$$$)...well let me tell you..I think the Lord has the same policies as the GNIB....you go out the way you came in..with nothing!!! So a little bit of kindess and compassion isn't going to kill them..

Also I really feel that some other organisation should be dealing with these cases and deportations and it should be taken out of McDowell's and his lynchmen's hands!!!

Also "you" people are crying about the extra cents this is costing on your taxes,, what about all those fat cat's dodging the tax man and loading their monies into off shore accounts or tax-free countries..and we all know who they are...
WHERE IS THE OUT-CRY ABOUT THIS???

by zzzzzz Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:22

But Ireland DOES welcome immigrants. Just look around you. I am prepared to bet that on a per-capita basis, Ireland has more immigrants than any other european country. The overwhelming opinion of our legal immigrants is positive and that they have been accepted and welcomed - genuine refugees included. In fact, we have an impressive array of services for assisting and integrating those who are found by our UN praised asylum-determination process to have a genuine claim to refugee status.

Naturally, Ireland does NOT welcome illegal immigrants - particularly asylum cheats. The vast majority of our immigrants are legal and welcome.

It is also very clear that the general public is fully aware of, and has made the distinction between legal and illegal immigration in its response.

by matt Wed Oct 04, 2006 19:55

First off that there is not a country in the world that does not maintain firm control of it's borders is probably a fact. It doesn't really have any bearing on the arguments here as that is all it is. Maybe you would try and explain why you feel this policy is necessary instead of holding your hands up and saying "but everyone else is doing it."
one might also ask why we are willing to maintain firmly open borders with rich eu countries (who realistically have less of a need to find a job here) and firmly closed borders with poor third world countries( whose population have huge need of finding jobs here)....irrational fear of the wretched masses or acknowledgement that our buddies in europe have played a large part in getting us to where we are today ( by using strict protectionist measures to advance their economies) and now play a large part in keeping us where we are today ( by forcing third world countries to open markets and punishing any efforts at protectionism that they might try to adopt). But I digress.

That the UN spend large amounts of money repatriating refugees can hardly be said to be primarily a concern of avoiding conflicts between refugees and "natives" and nobly saving lives. Afghanistan is, as you may know, still a wartorn country largely because of americas need to defend themselves by bombing them to shit. It has descended into tribal warfare and now the UN is repatriating millions of refugees in the hope of what? Exhausting the warlords with endless cannon fodder? Maybe if people were allowed to leave countries when international terrorists came to kill them mercilessly there would be a lot less conflict in the world....

Similarities between previous mass migrations and todays influx into modern ireland are indeed not what they seem....after all millions of people flooded into America and Australia whereas we got 4,600 asylum seekers last year..thats the issue here don't forget asylum seekers not imigrants in general. I think if people in Ireland are going to be consistent here then they will have to stop scurrilously going abroad to scrounge work of the poor innocent americans and british and australians...why do I think most irish people wouldn't be very happy if told they weren't allowed to leave ireland for the rest of their lives and yet this is what we propose for the members of much worse of societies...
Also as you rightly note these were enforced migrations with no consultation of the native peoples. However it is slightly avoiding the issue of what would happen if Irish people decided that immigration was a good thing i.e. people in Ireland decided to relax border controls and welcome asylum seekers and other immigrants to it's shores? Ultimately it comes down to the question of is fear of immigration a kind of self fulfilling prophecy and what would happen if we stopped being scared and started seeing the amazing possibilities involved....
and maybe getting the Irish government to start doing it's job and providing healthcare and housing and social welfare etc. for the people in ireland and not resorting to "blame the asylum seekers" when things got patchy.......

by VeryMad Tue Sep 26, 2006 04:21

Well Maureen I wonder where my earlier postings went about "that man"??Hmmm

Anyway I am not saying that Ireland should open up their doors and allow every body in, yes there should be restrictions and I wouldn't wish an open boarder situation on any nation.

What I am VERY MAD about is that the people being deported are not being treated with common decency and I know for a fact not all those deported on Wednesday were participating in Social Welfare Fraud.
Some of those people, or at least one did have valid claims to stay in the country and I feel that the authorities just wanted to get them on that plane and wash their hands of them in the hope they will never hear and see them again.

Don't you think that every one should be treated as an individual and given the time to go through the proper legal avenues that are available to them? Because I can tell you that some, or at least one of them was not offered that opportunity.
I feel that the Irish Authorities have been getting away with this because how many of these people that they deport back to a third world country will ever be able to come back to Ireland and will be able to tell their story?

I didn't really listen to what was happening with these people until it finally happened to someone I know and care about and that person was on that plane Wednesday night.
Maureen even murders can be given a second chance in the west, when some of these people are just trying to better themselves and can contribute to Irish society and there not even give "a" chance to do this.

Africans and other nations are suffering, when we here in the west are getting fatter and happier, we have to stop all this greediness, I really feel the more you give then the more you receive.
Why can't these people just be given one chance to prove themselves?

But anyway the original argument wasn't about protecting our boarders, I agree with RAR, they were treated unfairly and I do feel that the conditions that they were deported under was against regulations.
And I can confirm with you that the way they deported "that man" I refered to was NOT by the book.

by Maureen Tue Sep 26, 2006 02:47

To VeryMad,
It might help to clarify your arguments somewhat better if you were to state what your own proposals are in the case of unsuccessful asylum applicants.

(1) To the best of my own knowledge there is not a country in the world which does not maintain firm control of its borders. By and large it seems also to be proof positive that man is, by his very nature, a territorial creature, whether we like to accept this fact or not. History is littered with conflicts at times when inhabitants have felt either threatened by invasion or by mass migration movements. You might also be possibly aware that a sizeable chunk of The UNHCR budget is allocated annually to facilitate the repatriation of refugees to their indigenous homelands particularly within the African continent to avoid such conflicts.

(2) By attempting to attach similarities and then to draw self serving conclusions between the flow of migration into the small island of modern day Ireland , with those historic migration flows into Australia or into the North American Continent, appears not only disproportionate, but indeed fatuous in the extreme. In the circumstances of both those enormous land masses, the indigenous populations had been brutally swept aside, humiliated, their cultures extinguished, and their populations dispossessed. Both territories actively encouraged and supported inward immigration particularly from Europe, for the primary purpose of securing the future of these vast land territories for European Govts., mainly The UK., Spain, and France.
Those days however have long passed into the annals of history and border controls are nowadays much stricter.

But It seems somehow incomprehensible to many, when direct comparisons and self serving conclusions are nowadays drawn between the position of the relatively tiny peripheral island of Ireland, with those historic mass migrations which shaped the political direction of the huge land masses of North America and Australia. What is equally interesting to remember is that when European powers attempted similar type conquests and resettlement programs in certain other parts in the world, such as in Africa, Asia or the Middle East, they were singularly unsuccessful, for the very simple reason that those indigenous populations vigorously rejected such attempts and fought instead to preserve their own independent identities, their cultures and their possessions. Closer to home and in Ireland’s case this island still suffers the dreadful after effects of the Ulster plantations, even despite the fact that it occurred centuries ago.

(3) Why does it seem so unreasonable to you that the elected Govt of Ireland, like all national Govts., is charged with the responsibility of protecting its borders? For it appears that you may be proposing that those same authorities should simultaneously shut their eyes to those who purport to travel here for a specific reasons, such as to request political asylum. But if subsequently discovered to have submitted unsubstantiated or bogus asylum claims, should nonetheless be allowed to remain within that system! Surely such amounts to little more than complicity in fraud, and demeans the very ideal and concept of political asylum, reserved for those in genuine need. But additionally surely it serves to drag the Geneva Convention into disrepute in the eyes of the very taxpayers who fund it. Equally it serves to undermine the very applicants who indeed have a genuine asylum claim, by increasing the level of doubt and suspicion.
Ireland has been commended by the UN for the fairness and integrity of its asylum system

(4) A simple straightforward alternative to abusing our asylum system available to people from outside the EU wishing to reside here is the Work Permit Scheme and which around 165,000 have so far been successfully granted in recent years.

http://www.entemp.ie/labour/workpermits/statistics.htm

http://www.justice.ie/80256E01003A02CF/vWeb/pcJUSQ6D6ER3-en

by VeryMad Mon Sep 25, 2006 03:33 slheire at yahoo dot co dot uk

Let me ask all those of you who feel that the Ohh so wonderful Ireland should protect it's precious shores...How many Irish citizens have gone to the US and over stayed their visas? How many Irish have gone to places as far as Australia and over stayed their visa's and are working illegally, living day by day, marrying Australian citizens just so they can stay in the country and as soon as they get their "green card" they jump ship from the relationship.
I'm sure if you hypocrital so and so's researched that, the percentage per cap would be multiple that of the poor souls that come here to Ireland to start a better life for themselves.
Irish people have been fleeing Ireland and immigrating to new countries like the US and Australia for years if not centuries and have been excepted with open arms, I personally know many Irish immigrants in Australia who have been living there for many decades, have jobs, have bought property, and brought up families there, many of them just packed a bag, landed in Australia, then overstayed their visa's and hoped for the best, just like these poor people you deported just a few days ago!
And let me ask you have you ever seen the Australian government treat an Irish man like you are treating these people?
What is the difference here, because let me tell you it sure the hell is not intelligence so it just leaves me with one option, it must be the color of their skin! I've seen this with my own eyes as I'm a dual Irish/Australian citizen and I'm married to a Nigerian, I have come against intolerance because of this simple fact, I feel in love with a Nigerian...What a crime!
Irish people (and I'm not directing this at everyone) must open your eyes and not paint Africans all with the same brush!
If you show me one Irish scum bag then I can show you 10 wonderful Irish people, just the same as if you show me one Nigerian scum bag then I can show you another 10 wonderful Nigerian people!

So let's see if you can answer those questions regarding your irish brothers doing the same to other countries?

by Raymond Fri Sep 22, 2006 21:42

Re the above post from Matt.
I think Matt is really onto something quite novel here i.e. No more Nation States, No Borders, and presumably precluding any and all forms of Governments or their law enforcement agencies.

What a truly wonderful utopian ideal for the world Matt. It just goes to show that the true romantics are still alive and amongst us.

I would seek to encourage you to contest the next Gen Election with this as your manifesto! i.e. the total dissolution of Govt. and our borders!.
It should prove to be a winner, especially in certain parts of this country where our practising crime syndicates already scorn any kind of legal restraint upon their own particular chosen line of work.

The one major obstacle though, might be that ordinary people could be inclined to think they were somehow being conned on a“Candid Camera” show or something. But at the very least sure you will most probably give them a good laugh!

by matt Fri Sep 22, 2006 18:54

"Would you really abolish borders and nations? No controls on ANYONE? ANYONE can enter the country? Murderers, rapists, terrorists, paedophiles, criminals, religious fanatics, other nations' armies? Is this what you propose?"

In a word... yes!
the obvious point here is that if there were no borders and no nations they would not be entering a country..there wouldn't be any countries...they would be just moving around and would not be able to hide from justice just because they found a country with no extradition treaty to their homeland.

How many terrorists are currently being deported under our immigration system? or even want to bloody well come here in the first place? Despite what you think I doubt we are very high on the list of enemies of the "terrorists"...Also it's great the way you can just stick in the word terrorists without having tro actually specify what groups it is you are talking about...Bush uses it al the time-maybe if you had to actually define what terrorists it is you are talking about you would have to talk about why they are terrorists and maybe then we could try and resolve the issues that are provoking terrorism as the only method of gaining the word's attention.

Also the general idea here is that there are NO NATIONS just in case you've gotten confused and hence there would be no other nations armies to saunter over to kiss the blarney stone.

As for religious fanatics I don't think that that's a box you currently have to tick on your visa application anyway or even something you can be arrested for ... though there;'s an interesting idea... welcome to mountjoy mister bush....no but seriously....

" And chaos leads not, as some anarchists might fondly imagine to utopia but to barbarism."
Here's someone who obviously reads the papers a bit to much- anarchy is not about chaos it's about ORGANISATION without someone standing over you with a whip or a carrot-i.e a society without a ruler, a boss, a leader. Try talking to an anarchist sometime.

"Those who come here to our little Island for a free ride need to be deported."

What exact kind of free ride is this- the one where you're stuck in a hostel and given 19euros a week for years on end.wow these guys are living it up.I wanna piece of that pie. Maybe if we allowed asylum seekers to work then we would find it a bit easier to find out who is trying to get a free ride and who isn't.
Also you might just consider that Ireland, a wealthy prosperous first world nation produces people who scam the system for a lot more money than asylum seekers ever have or will have---in fact we not only produce them we even elect these guys to government, even granting them the office of taoiseach on occasion---that it's inevitable maybe you should stop trying to blame it all on asylum seekers and maybe have a look at what's wrong with our own lovely little society.
The amount scammed by asylum seekers is far less than the amount we handed to shell by granting them full rights to the corrib gasfield for example- why are you not angry about this? Or is it easier to blame a section of our society who often lack the resources (though not the ability) to defend themselves.

" There has never been ... a world in which nation states do not exist"

????? Do you actualy believe this curious....who pray tell inhabited the first nation...the amoeba...don't make us laugh... too hard...

"illegal migrants who some how manage to fly directly to Ireland with no direct flights from their home land and who engage in social welfare fraud are not welcome."
So basically asylum seekers aren't welcome....good argument Aidan Kennedy...

"its all very well having good ideals...however good ideals usually create massive problems in the real world, i am sure the abbos would agree with your policy, nothing more they would rather see than a few 100,000 more coming into oz or any other nation im sure"

go on ya mr chewit give him what for...
Firstly you might want to change the word abbos to aborigines as i think that abbos might be just ever so slightly racist and derogatory.....
Secondly this argument makes no sense.....so are you arguing that all the non aboriginals should just leave australia and maybe all the non native americans should just leave america too... and maybe we could just continue this process until all the humans are back where they started...Kenya I believe....What fun that would be... though I have always wanted to go to kenya
but i'm sure you're not arguing that....

"Of course there are people on the Right arguing the merits of mass immigration! The whole impetus for the free movement of labour, capital and services comes from the neo-liberal project to facilitate capital within the expanded EU."

And now curious in a brilliant display of spin tries to make the so called left believe they are in fact making the right's arguments for them hoping they will suddenly change tack and scream deport them all at the top of their voices...unfortunately as usual he's making stuff up.
the last thing the neoliberal agenda wants is free movement of people...what the neoliberal agenda wants is free movement of CAPITAL...not people. It's hard to exploit people if they keep leaving

"It is many an Irish wedding or an american GAA match which was raid by US immigration authorities, with Irish "Economic Migrants" been arrested and deported on the next flight home."
And this is a good thing aidan? If you say yes well at least your consistent though your no doubt highly patriotic buddies won't be so impressed.. If no then you're just as hypocritical as the current irish government so you're in good...no wait... bad company.

"yeah sure, mate, try telling this to the guys who run the Social Welfare offices in Nigeria , Congo and Uganda when you , as Irish/European/U.S. citizen, try to get the dole ver there......."
And, what pray, would you be fleeing from minuteman....but lets ask the same old questions again...would you want to be able to claim the dole in these countries and possibly even travel there freely without having to dance for a visa? I would.... So what's your argument here their government wouldn't do it for us so ours shouldn't do it for them...bit childish innit....

by puzzled Fri Sep 22, 2006 13:51

Why can’t there be reasoned arguments on the issue of asylum in this county?

Not all asylum seekers are welfare fraudsters and not all claimants are genuine.

It is a simple fact of life that if a system can be abused it will be abused.

We need an asylum system that provides protection for those genuinely fleeing persecution and the integrity of the system needs to be protected from abuse. Deportation of unfounded claimants is part of the process of preserving the integrity of the system. The statistics show that deportation only occurs in a small minority of cases.

I believe that the polar extremes in this debate are simply wrong, i.e., those who oppose deportation in principle / all asylum claimants are genuine refugees and those who believe that all asylum applicants are bogus.

Let’s have more light and less heat in these exchanges of views.

by lies Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:56

Lets wait and see how many more they pull from the other ops shall we, then we shall see how small it really is.

In context of asylum seekers here it is potentially quite a large amount

I never and would never think for an instance that all asylum seekers are fraudsters, in fact the ones that get granted the right to stay legally are perfectly entitled to imho.

It is just people like yourself though that i would object to. You cannot take it when people argue your point of view, you refuse to provide proof of your allegations because quite simply you do not have any(and im not talking about some shoddy article written by one of your mates, that aint proof), you accuse basically everyone involved in the immigration process of being corrupt in some way, if people argue the point with you they are rascist, dumb, uneducated etc.

With your attitude i am sure that you will go far with your cause. Please ensure to throw a tantrum, it never fails to draw a crowd

by ???? Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:43

Rampant give yourself a clap, talk about tabloid language. They were caught and deserved to be caught however your foolish attempt to paint a picture of our asylum seekers here being welfare frauds has complete failed, a small number were involved. Keep to the tabloid language though, it gets me terribly excited.

by lies Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:37

it makes sense however to read the article in full context my friend

Co-ordinated swoops on ports and airports in the Republic and Northern Ireland have revealed significant numbers of foreign nationals taking advantage of the common travel area between the Republic and the UK in a bid to defraud the Irish Exchequer.
When interviewed while entering the State from the UK, many were found to have already registered for social welfare benefits of up to €3,000 per month in the Republic.

Its fraud end of, your quoting of a particular section in a vain attempt to cover up what was/is rampant dishonesty is apalling

by ???? Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:35

No idea if you can not go the bother of doing a small little research despite being told exactly where to go then tough shit. I am not going to spend several hours looking for stuff that I already know for the benefit of somebody who is going to reject it anyway.

by noidea Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:32

What part of

POST PROOF

do you not understand?

you made all these allegations

Post proof to back them up

yep, didnt think you could eithier

KTHX BOI

by ???? Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:32

More idiocy abounds this time from a particular person changing their pseudonom once again. Here is a quote directly from the article that you so idiotically didn't bother to read

"They had left the country but had continued to be paid benefits into bank accounts. They were able to access their welfare payments from abroad via ATM machines. The authorities were unaware the fraudsters had left the State and so the payments were never stopped."

Sniff sniff the reading something before you post it as evidence is called an intelligent thing to do.

Curious IBEC and ISME favour the work permit system for non EU migrants, this is a system that allows gross exploitation. The reality is you need a strong untied workforce to defend attacks on employee's conditions, not one that is divded because of racism.

by clarity Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:27

Dear ????,

If you remove the personal abuse from your last contribution, you are left with ................exactly zilch.

This is a forum for serious comment by all persons (not just persons who attain your exacting standards of education (if not logic or coherence!). It is not a forum for abusing people who disagree with you. Read the rules.

by Aidan Kennedy - Donaghmede - Dublin North East Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:26

Are France, Germany, Holland and the United Kingdom not "Safe Countries" with direct flights from Africa, unlike Ireland which has no Direct flights and therfore no option but to deport illegal immigrants to their last port of call provided that the illegal immigrant co-operate and supply valid doccumentation to the Gardai.

An open borders policy can not exist out of concern from our national security. Irish "Economic Migrants" who travelled to U.S.A on valid travel documents and overstayed their welcome or broke the working restrictions do not qualify for any assistance from the U.S social welfare system.

It is many an Irish wedding or an american GAA match which was raid by US immigration authorities, with Irish "Economic Migrants" been arrested and deported on the next flight home.

by ???? Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:20

I have told you were to get the information, the times is a subscription website but you can get a day subscription for it, email the refugee council or call into them. It is all there you just have to access it. As for being a D4 type I didn't know being educated was an exclusive D4 thing. I am not from D4, but make no apologies for my education. You sound like an idiot the way you go on, but your just some little boy who thinks he is a hard right winger, aren't you?. The way you spell, write and think reminds me of a poster called Limerick pit and another uneducated clown called pffzzt. They are as uneducated as you are.Look up everything yourself, I told you were to go, if I am false than you should easily be able to prove me wrong. You wont be able to.

by lies Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:15

you have been misreading the papers a lot of what they covered were people who had already left the country and were claiming benefits from outside the country.

Of course we were, of course!!!! Only you can set us straight on what the papers really were talking about....

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2006/0911/115679....html

sniff sniff, truth hurts ehh

by curious Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:11

Of course there are people on the Right arguing the merits of mass immigration! The whole impetus for the free movement of labour, capital and services comes from the neo-liberal project to facilitate capital within the expanded EU.

What is ironic of course is that the left is taking the same position as IBEC and ISME! They make the money. You supply the ideological arguments.

by ???? Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:07

It seems you have been misreading the papers a lot of what they covered were people who had already left the country and were claiming benefits from outside the country. We have a problem of social welfare fraud committed by Irish people aswell and we should seriously take a look at weeding out ALL who commit such fraud. Any asylum seeker involved in serious welfare fraud, in my view should be deported. However I believe that asylum seekers should have the right to work. I also believe it should be up to the courts to decide on punishment and not the immigration authorities.

But let us not foolishly believe that all those deported during the week were involved in welfare fraud as that is complete BS. One man deported on wednesday had been here 7 years, had not been involved in any crime and was involved in voluntary community work, his wife had got status several months ago. Now this man is accused by some posters on this thread of being somehow involved in fraud. Another woman was a victim of serious rape and had been attending a psychiatrist in Ireland due to the mental torture that she had endured. She had never been involved in any crime here and only wanted safety and to overcome the abuse she had suffered.

by noidea Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:54

The proof of the abuse and illegality of gardai actions gets covered in quite a lot of media and in a certain tribunal, of course you really would have to be a moron to not know about this.

Again you warble with bullshit, post proof or STFU

your patronising tone tells me your some leftie from the d4 area with nothing better to do with their time

id hardly call the photos above proof of anything

you seem to live in a make believe world, give my regards to peter pan

You just dismiss people who dont agree with you as stupid,uneducated and all the rest and consistantly provide ZERO PROOF to back up any of your shoddy allegations

PLEASE POST PROOF

K THX BOI

by Joe Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:53

That exported its youth, unemployed, rural destitute to the streets of London, Liverpool, Glasgow, Chicago, NY, Sydney and Jo'burg. Lucky enough the Brits didn't send home those who went to the UK "for a free ride" as you so eloquently put it. Maybe some Irishmen & women went there for a "free ride" to take advantage of the UK social welfare that was much better than our own, but most went did so because they wanted to get work and break from their shitty existance in our little island. Most went to their 'adopted' countries to become 'model citizens' some went and ended up on the 'scrapheap', unemployed, alcoholics, and some became criminals. To my knowledge anyone opting for a life of crime took the consiquences of that decision and the chance of ending up jailed but not deported. When they arrived they were greeted with at best indifference but usually hostility. "Paddies are taking our jobs, paddies are spongers and so on. Today we have convinced ourselves that the difference between then and now is that "the Irish went there to work" I hear this all the time. In the UK Irish criminal gangs were prevalent in London, Liverpool, Birmingham, Manchester and Glasgow all areas with big Irish communities and an abundance of poverty ridden blackspots. I doubt if any of these criminals went with the intention of becoming criminals, I could be wrong but it seems obvious that they could have stayed in Ireland and plied that 'trade' here.

Anyone like me, over the age of 30 knows what I mean. Growing up in Tallaght in the 1980's, I was faced with few opportunities workwise but wasn't interested in leaving. Of my six closest mates, two joined the Irish Army, two went to the UK for work, one went to Amsterdam and one stayed on the dole, like me. My Brother went to London and has remained there since. My father had been there in the 1960's working on building sites like hundreds/thousands of Irishmen. They went there because the Brit economy was booming and they faced no future in Ireland. They were all economic migrants, none were escaping political persecution, none could be classed refugees. All were entitled to sign on and many did so.

Now the work is here and capitalism requires a workforce for our boom. Economic refugees from capitalism in Eastern Europe are flocking here. Some will stay until the work dries up. Some will decide to take root and make a life for themselves here becoming 'model' citizens, some will end up on the scrapheap and a few will turn to crime. The media will highlight the criminal element - "Bosnian found guilty", "Nigerian Gang smashed" Ukrainian youth charged" just as the media has always criminalised the travelling community in Ireland by giving people the impression that all are criminals. The media also do this with working class communities, anyone reading the Star or Independent the last week would believe that all the working class in Limerick are either in the Ryan or Keane gang. It is appauling that a people who suffered "No Blacks -No Dogs - No Irish" now wish to give the same as they got to people who just want to improve their lot and escape grinding poverty.

by ??? Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:50

Your knowledge is pretty bad. The US was just one country that operated a No Borders policy in the past. As for calling it a wooly principal there are people on the right aswell as the left who argue that principle, it can be an economic principle as well as a principle of social justice. Ireland can accomodate far more people then our current population. We have historically and we will in the future. The problem with people like you is what little thinking you do is completely blinkered. For one thing our economy is not stagnant it expands and contracts, our economy has grown with immigration, and yes we have been eploited, not by immigrants but by ruthless employers and a ruthless government. The easy thing to do is blame immigrants as they are completely vulnerable, however the reality is it is the government and employers who are taking us for a complete ride backed up by usefull idiots such as yourself.

by curious Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:49

If you oppose welfare fraud then you would agree that asylum seekers who come here to defraud the system should be deported? If so, you would find yourself in agreement with most others here.

by mrchewit Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:44

The only limits inposed are those on human beings.

And that is a sensible option, Ciaron are you saying that you agree with the no borders policy? that is ludicrous

maybe we should all head to australia, how long would it take before you started criticising the government for letting 2 many people in, creating a stress on the system that is totally destructive, denigrating public assets and creating massive housing shortages, rampant inflation, economic depression? and all because some nitwit thinks open borders is a policy that would work...

its all very well having good ideals...however good ideals usually create massive problems in the real world, i am sure the abbos would agree with your policy, nothing more they would rather see than a few 100,000 more coming into oz or any other nation im sure

by ??? Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:42

Aidan it is the Dublin Convention that tells us who can apply for asylum in Ireland, not your personal opinion. It matters only if Ireland was the first SAFE country that they arrived in, not if they flew directly from their home country. As for social welfare frauds I totally oppose any social welfare frauds, be they Irish or immigrant. However I also oppose corporate frauds and we have plenty of them about thanks to your political party. How about you start telling corporate frauds that they are not welcome here.

by ???? Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:36

No idea is a perfect name for you as it suits your personality. The proof of the abuse and illegality of gardai actions gets covered in quite a lot of media and in a certain tribunal, of course you really would have to be a moron to not know about this. As for the illegality of the immigration authorities the contacting of the embassies has been covered in the Sunday Times, to mention one paper, about two weeks ago. Several assaults have been covered with some photographic evidence on this very website, other cases of assault have been covered in the Irish Times by Kitty Holland and other journalists. Peter O'Mahony from the IRC has talked repeatedly in the media about asylum cases being virtually guaranteed to be rejected, not on it's merits but because of the country of origin. These are all issues that have been repeatedly covered before on indymedia and in the corporate media. You just haven't bothered to check or read anything and instead show your ignorance. Also I don't think your a "rascist" as no such word exists. You are completely uneducated, not even being able to spell the word racist. Instead of venting your anger against coloured people perhaps you should take time to research through the internet, perhaps emailing a few groups such as the IRC. Purchase a day subscription to the Irish Times and trawl through their archives. Or do you expect us to listen to you, a person who freely admits that they have no idea?

by Aidan Kennedy - Donaghmede / Dublin North East Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:27

30,000 Lativan "Economic Migrants" are legaly here to work and better themselves, yet only 92 Lativan's claim assistence from social welfare.

Legal "Economic Migrants are welcome as they are else where in the world, but illegal migrants who some how manage to fly directly to Ireland with no direct flights from their home land and who engage in social welfare fraud are not welcome.

by noidea Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:14

its easy to throw allegations around but a lot harder to provide any sort of proof to back them up, institutional rascism, assualt, intimidation,forgery, rascism all mentioned as regular and frequent by you in just a single thread ..LOL

in fact it has been widely covered that if you are from certain countries then your asylum case is virtually guaranteed to be rejected, not on it's merits but because of the country of origin

Really, where has that been widely covered? proof of this please k thx

they have forged signatures in the GNIB, and they intimidate people and assault people on a regular basis

Proof? k thx

our laws are never upheld by those in power or those given the power to uphold them so spare us your uneducated nonsense

ROFL really, bit paranoid arent you?

The ONLY UNDEDUCATED nonsense is coming straight from your mouths

ohh and before you say it.....Im a rascist, i must be because i do not agree with you..

by curious Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:09

I may be guilty of typos - you my friend are prey to wooly thinking. I have no problem with genuine asylum seekers and none have been deported. Indeed very few bogus claimants have been. You, however, appear to be one of those people who seem to believe that this country can accomodate an unlimited number of people and you absolutely no coherent answer to the argument that there need to be controls. Or to the perfectly legitimate right of any state to deport criminals and those who defraud the welfare system. Of course you may actually beleive that criminals should be allowed come here? If you are an adherent of the "No borders, No nations" mantra then you are talking nonsense. There has never been nor will there ever be a world in which nation states do not exist or in which those nations do not impose controls over who has use of their territory.

by ??? Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:34

Curious it would be better for you to discover how to spell properly before trying to insult people. Also asylum seekers are not allowed work, they are given 19.10 euros a week, hardly enough to be an "incentive" to encourage people to come to Ireland. Ireland has been criticised by the UNHCR for being one of the two countries in Europe to not allow asylum seekers to work. Of course all we hear from the anti asylum seeker crowd is that all asylum seekers are criminals and frauds when in fact it has been widely covered that if you are from certain countries then your asylum case is virtually guaranteed to be rejected, not on it's merits but because of the country of origin. This is institutional racism and is not upholding our laws. Despite several court rulings the decisions of the appeals tribunals are still not being published (only a select few), another flagrant breach of our laws. Our gardai have perfected breaching our laws, the immigration gardai breach national and international laws constantly by contacting the embassy of the country of origin, they have forged signatures in the GNIB, and they intimidate people and assault people on a regular basis. But of course you anti asylum seekers quite support this and preach "uphold our laws", our laws are never upheld by those in power or those given the power to uphold them so spare us your uneducated nonsense, all you do is repeat the same bullshit that McDowell repeats constantly. It is a childish and ridiculous tactic to attempt to repeat something constantly in the hope that people will eventually believe it. Unfortunately some of the useful idiots have already started to believe it, they aren't interested in the law, they are interested in hate.

by inevitable Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:23

Your'e dead right....this rediculous policy of
No Borders / No Nations is just plain crazy...and it's never going to happen. Like the previous poster I have no problem with the thousands of hard working people who have come here via legal channels. Those who come here to our little Island for a free ride need to be deported.

by LaLa Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:18

"You know, in the virtually pre-industrial conditions of the 1830's Ireland supported a population of more than 8 million -"

....and then the Great Famine happened. It was unsustainable to have that number on this island.

by curious Fri Sep 22, 2006 09:54

There is no question that all those claiming Irish ancestry abroad would either wish or be allowed to come to live in Ireland. Hypothetically if, say 20 million Irish Americans applied to do so, then the state would have to impose severe restrictions. Common sense surely? Same applies to immigration of asylum seekers and you would hope economic immigrants. Otherwise, chaos. And chaos leads not, as some anarchists might fondly imagine, to utopia but to barbarism.

PS. The fact that a significant number of RAR activists are motivated by a juvenile beleif in a "world without borders" precludes them from most sane intellectual and political discourse. It is a nonsensical basis on which to argue.

by gavina Fri Sep 22, 2006 02:28

I'm dismayed by the bigoted racism of the pro-deportation lobby

Is it racist to desire that the laws of the land be upheld? I would suggest, my ignorant friend, that you find out the meaning of that word, while it still has some currency. Though, at this stage, I think it has been so abused and misused that it's just a cliche spat out by those with no argument.

I, for one, am as happy as any blind left-winger that hundreds of thousands of immigrants have found work in this country - they're exactly the people we want. I don't give a rat's ass if they're white, black, yellow, red, blue, whatever. They're here, they're bettering themselves, paying taxes and all's well. That's what those who enter the country through legal channels, and those who obey our laws, deserve.

Those who've had the free ride, those who've rubbed our noses in it with welfare fraud (read any of today's newspapers for details, unless you think the media are all pawns in a vast conspiracy), are not welcome here.

No Borders / No Nations / Stop Deportations!
Would you really abolish borders and nations? No controls on ANYONE? ANYONE can enter the country? Murderers, rapists, terrorists, paedophiles, criminals, religious fanatics, other nations' armies? Is this what you propose?

by wild goose - noborders Fri Sep 22, 2006 01:58

As an Irish person who left Ireland in the Eighties to seek a better life abroad ( and found one, which is why I haven't come back)-
I am both encouraged and dismayed by this thread-

I'm encouraged by the RAR and their supporters that at least some basic human decency survives in Ireland in the 21st century

I'm dismayed by the bigoted racism of the pro-deportation lobby

I mean what is it with these people - are you saying that economic migration is wrong?

If so, do you agree that your relatives who migrated to the UK, Europe, North America or beyound shound be deported and sent back to Ireland?

If not - then why shouldn't other people have the same rights as Irish people? -

Or is it that you think there's already too many people in Ireland ?

You know, in the virtually pre-industrial conditions of the 1830's Ireland supported a population of more than 8 million -
So get over it! - it can certainly cope with a few more in this day and age-

Let's be honest here - the pro-deportations lobby main issue is they hate forgieners - especially black or brown ones

While they're happy that they can benifit through the exploitation of cheap resources and labour in the majority world- they just don't want the people turning up in 'their Irish towns'-

Well - I say damn the begrugers! - no human being is illegal

Let's hear it for No Borders / No Nations / Stop Deportations!

Free Movement and the Right to Remain for All
One World / One Love
sez the happy migrant

by gavina Fri Sep 22, 2006 01:05

To 'Catholic': I can only assume you agree that unlimited numbers of people from anywhere should be allowed into Ireland? If not, who should be denied entry? Or what number of people? Please answer these questions, I'd love to know where you stand.

To 'Lefty Type': those photographs with their titles are nasty at best and dangerous at worst. Why post photographs of a Garda and his number with that title - it suggests he has done something untoward, but you provide nothing but innocuous photos, no commentary, nothing. Presumably, you have contempt for Gardaí for no other reason than they're part of The Man?

Do any of you people who disagree with all deportations ever question why Ireland for many years (and maybe still today) was the target for 50% of all Nigerians who claimed asylum in the EU? This little dot on the peripherary of Europe, the place most difficult to reach from Africa, indeed, the only place in Europe that can't be driven to from anywhere else in Europe, with less than 1% of the population of the continent, took in 50% (in real, absolute numbers) of all Nigerian asylum seekers? Ireland took in about SIXTY[!] times the number of Nigerians than the EU average.

Ireland's governament, first and foremost, has a duty and a responsibility to uphold its own laws and protect the integrity of its judicial systems. The government is a million miles from perfect, but at least they're finally making some headway towards redressing the widespread and flagrant asylum abuses that took place for so long. The threats and fear of racist labelling by those who frequent this site, and others, prevented this from happening a long time ago.

by Ciaron - Dublin Catholic Worker Thu Sep 21, 2006 20:08

Many thanx to RAR, Madam K etc for visible oppositon to this Kafakesque state drama.

There is no limits on western capital (its militaries and profit driven arms trade) moving around the world polluting countries and destoying African, Asian, South American communities. The only limits inposed are those on human beings.

If all the Irish came home, this place would sink!

As "Catholic" points out if the Holy Family didn't get assylum from Herod, the gospels would have been a pretty short story.

Mucho solidarity
Ciaron (Limerick)

by blaa Thu Sep 21, 2006 19:18

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/opinion/2006/0920/1158....html

Describes the perfect running of refugee appeals that ignorant posters above are claiming.

by blaa Thu Sep 21, 2006 17:59

Two Dutch ministers are resigning after an inquiry partly blamed the authorities for a fire at Amsterdam's airport holding centre in which 11 immigrants died.

The two officials are Justice Minister Piet Hein Donner and Housing Minister Sybilla Dekker

It said the justice ministry, the country's building inspection service, and the city of Haarlemmermeer, where Schiphol is located, "failed on a number of points to adhere to the applicable laws and rules concerning fire safety".

The fire has also raised questions about whether the government sacrificed safety standards when it ordered the building's construction in 2002.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5367056.stm This is the type of care politicians take of people lives.

by C murray - The Unmanageables Thu Sep 21, 2006 17:32

Minister Mc Dowell dispensed with services to refugees and asylum seekers
and created a one stop shop for immigration control. I can't remember the date
of the legislation. But a brief trawl through services available under the aegis of
the Department of Justice includes INIS and GNIB. The refugee council opposed
at the time. No-where in the sites available through the state is there mention of
services to women: such as trauma counselling, rape/abuse support and maternity
rights.

These are found in the websites of The NWCI and the Refugee council, as well
as other NGO's dedicated to supports and at community level through experienced
counsellors and interventions by the local schools.

You could therefore reason that problems specific to women are largely
ignored by the triple arm of good governance.

DRCC provides services and volunteers to attend court hearings, the sexual
assault unit and follow-up counselling.

GNIB names the staff officers and their roles. I did not detect a women's officer,
a trauma counsellor nor an accompaniement service for refugee or asylum
seekers to either court or the sexual assault unit at the Rotunda. Surely to
goodness if the service to a rape victim is available or counsellors are called
in it should be flagged on one or other of the state service's websites.

This is in relation to a query about identifying a victim of FGM, by an earlier poster.
It is one thing to cast derision on a trauma victim's claims, surely funding the
necessary supports to women in crisis would be part of the remit of the dept
of justice, EQUALITY and Law Reform?

by Aidan Kennedy - Donaghmede / Dublin North East Thu Sep 21, 2006 15:04

Last night Wednesday 20/9/2006 over 30 citizens of Nigeria were deported to Lagos, on a special flight which had been chartered at a cost of 285,000 euro to the Irish tax payer.

This group included a number who had been arrested by Gardai following a joint investigation called "Operation Gull" with the PSNI and British Police into Social Welfare abuse by bogus asylum claimants.

Bogus asylum claimants who engage in serious crime do nothing but severely hamper genuine applicants, and will cause further disenchantment amongst our various law abiding residents who have an important contribution to make to our Country.

by evidence Thu Sep 21, 2006 15:04

The evidence is on the thread.

The'media' are too busy buying the corporate junket provided by the dept of justice.

or they may be following the golfers wives- three pages on the Ryder cup,
sure you'd think the pope was coming-ban on ladders, phones and cameras. the good
people at the K club provided 10euro headsets for audience. radios banned too- can't be putting the golfers off their game now...

How many brazilian waxes attended the Ryder cup?

by Michael Martin Thu Sep 21, 2006 02:51

..........because both areas are located in the same policing district. Doesn't takes rocket science to figure out this one ! So no sinister conspiracy here at all!

by I spy Thu Sep 21, 2006 02:34

That red headed cop has been photographed outside the Wheelock family home as part of the report on harrasment of the family.

Photo: http://www.indymedia.ie/cache/imagecache/local/attachme...e.jpg

Story: http://www.indymedia.ie/article/77022

by Not 1 of u'r type Thu Sep 21, 2006 01:45

Nothing new. I don't see any photo which realistically suggests that there was a deportation taking place. Sure we see Garda Jeeps entering and exiting the underground car park but thats not to say that they're carrying deportees.

by Lefty Type Thu Sep 21, 2006 01:33

some pics of our nation's brave constabulary doing their best to keep crusties at bay

yer not getting in here sonny

brave patriots

pause for a moments reflection

move along there now

b399 - your number's up!

by Dr Tom Thu Sep 21, 2006 00:10

Let us not throw out of the blue statements like some above.

by Joy Wed Sep 20, 2006 23:28

Let us not speculate on issues we don't know about. It is unjust to comment on a specific case where all the details are not know.
Anyways, the Irish system does not cover every possible situation and that may leave some people in a loop-hole looking at deportation, when they should or should not be deported.

by inevitable Wed Sep 20, 2006 23:11

"I can't understand why someone who has been in Ireland for the last six years as an asylum seeker went to high school and even found sponsors for college, She is the middle of a degree and has been picked up to be sent back home.
By the way this person is willing to work and contribute to the country
I wonder if there is any genuine explaination for this actions?"

Eh.....maybe because her case for refugee status was found to be without foundation. Just because she is an intelligent girl doesn't mean she should get special treatment.

by Addey Wed Sep 20, 2006 22:25

I can't understand why someone who has been in Ireland for the last six years as an asylum seeker went to high school and even found sponsors for college, She is the middle of a degree and has been picked up to be sent back home.
By the way this person is willing to work and contribute to the country
I wonder if there is any genuine explaination for this actions?

by Michael Martin Wed Sep 20, 2006 21:35

Well, why shouldn't we as a nation protect our wealth and resources, or would you let me walk right into your house, taking away your personal belongings? Ireland, and every other nation in the world, has every right to protect her resources from those who fraudulently wish to misuse them.
And by the way, I am not a Christian - far from it. In my opinion ChristINSANITY is the greatest falsehood and fraud ever to be imposed on western civilization. But that's discussion material for another thread!

by Catholic Wed Sep 20, 2006 20:51

Because you are denying needy people a place to live and have a good life-just as you would want for yourself and just as thousands upon thousands of Irish people have done before us.
Immigration laws are a means by which powerful countries protect their wealth,dominance and stranglehold over the majority of the worlds population who are starved of the benefits of this planet by our greed.
When they try and leave their own impoverished lands (impoverished to keep us wealthy and able to buy whatever new crap comes out to sit on our shelf) they are turned back by our "immigration control" bodies-we are basically stripping them of their chance in life and if they try to make it a little better we have the structures in place to make sure that doesnt happen and that our piece of the pie remains as large as it is.

Its just pure greed.

by Alive Wed Sep 20, 2006 20:50

Hmmmm, let me see.......I call myself a christian, that means I am completly for all the worlds asylum seekers coming here (on a one way ticket), regardless how unconvencing their story is.

Is that christianity is all about?

by inevitable Wed Sep 20, 2006 20:43

Shame? Why should I feel shame for wanting to see our immigration laws enforced?

by Catholic Wed Sep 20, 2006 20:35

Some of the posters here including the last one dismay me with their mean and ignorant attitudes.
And the worst part is,many would call themselves Christians undoubtedly.
When there was no room at the inn for Jesus it was a terrible thing,however it seems to be ok if your wealth and prosperity is in any way under some ficticious threat.
People who object to those in any way less fortunate coming into Ireland are nothing more than selfish hypocrites.
It comes down to being that simple-just selfish,miserly,nervous people who are so afraid of something different they recoil behind a shadow of fear and suspicion.
As a Christian I condemn their attitudes and wish they would pay more attention to the values they adhere to in their own religions,be they Christian or otherwise.
Shame!

by Joe Sixpack Wed Sep 20, 2006 20:27

At last "our" government seems to be doing something right. Taxpayers' money well spent!

by ziggy Wed Sep 20, 2006 19:28

"I would genuinely doubt that the Government would do this because they know the consequences of this."
Consequences? Its the government, who do you think is going to investigate...Gardai from the Morris Tribunal?

by inevitable Wed Sep 20, 2006 19:15

Our system has been praised by the UN......I highly doubt your claims. If their cases are not valid...they must be deported. If they had valid cases....I'd have no problem in granting them refugee status.

by Frankenstein Wed Sep 20, 2006 19:01

Can you prove that the Government actually misrepresented asylum seekers with their own deportation forms instead? I would genuinely doubt that the Government would do this because they know the consequences of this. I find that claim very hard to believe.

by Starstruck Wed Sep 20, 2006 18:46

Well,last poster,whatever your name was,many of those in the GNIB today have not completed the full application system for asylum that the law guarantees them and indeed several were told to sign forms that would ensure they could stay in Ireland not knowing that they were in fact signing their own deportation orders.
That is illegal,attaining someones signature and assent under false pretenses it is misrepresentation and negates the documents status as a legal and binding contract between the parties.

At the rear of the GNIB protesters are being bundled out of the way by a heavy gang of 15-20 cops who magically appear from around the corner at Pearse Street each time the jeep comes out the heavily fortified back entrance to the GNIB dungeon.
This sort of underhanded and brutal treatment of human beings belongs in the deep and dark naedertholic past and not in our supposedly civilised society of the 21st century.

Shame on McDowelkl and his mindless foot-soldiers.

by Frankenstein Wed Sep 20, 2006 17:38

"with all these cops you would think something illegal was going on..."

Something illegal? A deportation carried out within the framework of Irish and international law constitutes illegality, is this a new thing?

by Frank Ryan Wed Sep 20, 2006 17:37

Two families have been arrested for deportation at the direct provision site in Athlone.

One woman with her three year old and one year old children and another woman with her one year old child.

We have been informed by the GNIB that they are being taken to Dublin airport for a deportation flight tonight.

by Revolt Wed Sep 20, 2006 17:34

Revolt Video cameraperson hit in face with camera while filming.

by Madam K Wed Sep 20, 2006 17:29

.

Ambulance left without treating woman

car exiting here

people being moved now

nice job Mr.

with all these cops you would think something illegal was going on...

by Dolly Wed Sep 20, 2006 17:15

Even if these illegals were deported, the level of deportations in 2006 has been at one of its lowest in nearly a decade now. People here have a right to voice the issue of abuse of their asylum system.

by madam k Wed Sep 20, 2006 16:52

Two cars have just left rear entrance of GNIB

One car contained aged out minor,son of woman who has now been let out of office,left distraught on street.

Other car contained unidentified woman with young child.

Cars met with resistance by small crowd . Gardai physically moving protestors.

more peolpe due to sign on in GNIB this afternoon .

by Chris murray - the unmanageables Wed Sep 20, 2006 16:22

And to Rosana, who has a hard job- These issues are covered up by the high gloss
media Junkets provided by the Department of Justice and voluminous press-releases
in relation to such anti-citizen legislation as the Immigration, Residence and Protection
Bill 2006. They reality of the issues around the system are constantly in need of
illumination and response.

by madam k Wed Sep 20, 2006 16:14

Woman screams coming from inside the GNIB .RAR`s go to see whats happening .A large man is pressing against woman.We hold the door open and call for him to stop .The Garda intervene when we try to assist woman ,she falls to the ground .we are informed that she is NOT being assaulted,but having a panic attack .A passerby calls an ambulance.Ambulance arrives yet leaves without treating woman.

Our veiw of woman obstructed

" No she`s not being assaulted she is having a panic attack"

may i have the womans name please...please may i have the womans name

woman on the ground

nice salute