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Cowley Forbids NVDA under pressure from Guards

category mayo | environment | news report author Friday October 20, 2006 21:40author by Mubarak Report this post to the editors

One protester arrested despite attempts by TD Cowley to prevent NVDA
March begins at 7.30 this morning.
March begins at 7.30 this morning.

Massive turnout for protest at Corrib

NVDA conflict between Cowley and protesters
NVDA conflict between Cowley and protesters

Gardai pressure Cowley to restore 'order'
Gardai pressure Cowley to restore 'order'

Passageway for cars opens up
Passageway for cars opens up

Willie Corduff remonstrates with workers
Willie Corduff remonstrates with workers

author by confoundedpublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 21:49author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Sorry, you need to explain this. How could Cowley 'forbid' NVDA? The anarchists and libetarians present were hardly taking instructions from Cowley.

Why wasn't he just ignored?

author by Miriam Cottonpublication date Fri Oct 20, 2006 21:52author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Again, there are outstanding legal challenges to this project. Work should not have begun on the site unless or until all those challenges were properly resolved. Shell, their workers and the guards are upholding unlawfulness.

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Gardai gather around for talk by protester
Gardai gather around for talk by protester

Gardai clear way for Shell
Gardai clear way for Shell

Protesters cleared from road
Protesters cleared from road

Frenetic Activity inside Plant
Frenetic Activity inside Plant

author by Shell to Sea Supporterpublication date Sat Oct 21, 2006 00:29author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I must say first that I fully support the shell to sea campaign and welcome any non-violent action taken against shell.

However I do not think that indymedia should be a forum for personal attacks on other members of the campaign (in this case Jerry Cowley).
In my view such discussions are best left to meeting etc.

I feel that articles should aim to objectively as possible describe events, not air internal arguements in public.

author by Dublin Tompublication date Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:50author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Jerry Cowley has put everything on the line for the local people in North Mayo and elsewhere. He has been treat with ourright hostility by sections of the media and has been the subject of a serious campaign to damage his electoral support by friends on Shell in council for the west, FG, media etc, but Jerry has stayed the course.

No one knew what yesterdays protests were going to be like, if they had got out of hand then the campaign would have been damaged, as it was they struck just the right tone, and the sight of Jerry calling for calm actually helped. The previous weeks blocking of the road made the workers and gardai the focus of the media, this week was much much better.

People need stand back and figure out a plan that wins not fall into the trap of repeating failing tactics, when something is not working it is time to stop, think and then do something new or even nothing at all.

author by voterpublication date Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:16author address author phone Report this post to the editors

So all shell to sea supporters across the country, make a point to vote for the guys like gerry or joe higgins who are / were with rossport people in solidarity on the ground, and / or spoke out strongly for them

The rest just want to avoid the mess and bad press and get sneak smoothly into power where they will show equally little backbone when other issues arise.

where are the greens? very disappointing

Question: could the gardai have made this rather divisive post??

author by Mubarakpublication date Sat Oct 21, 2006 14:04author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"articles should aim to objectively as possible describe events, not air internal arguements in public."

The above article accurately represents events as they occurred yesterday. You don't point to any inaccuracy. It is not anti Gerry Cowley, who as you say has done sterling work for the community in Rossport, but it does reflect a divergence of opinion about tactics in the campaign. Far from being an 'internal argument' this was a public shouting match yesterday on the road. The article simply reflects the legitimate divergance of opinion on the subject.

author by boycottpublication date Sat Oct 21, 2006 20:38author address author phone Report this post to the editors

in my opinion, the protests in Ballinaboy are`nt going to stop the building work but they can still hamper it. the shell cops are going to use all or any means to keep their masters happy. if a small number keep the protests going at Ballinaboy, while everyone else continues to protest at various shell stations, (asking that people boycott shell) and try to spread the protest, making it harder for mctool and co. to control. i did`nt attend fridays protest, as i`m not someone who could be certain that i would`nt react to shellcops aggression. but i`m still involved. i did`nt see any of these `brave gaurds` running in to grab anyone at the o`connell st `love ulster` march. it would`nt have been so easy for them, pure bullies, probably damaged in their early life.

author by Mick Butlerpublication date Sun Oct 22, 2006 02:57author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Miriam, you said above that there are legal challenges in process, if that is the case and this work is proceeding unlawfully, why has s2s not filed for injunction/s to stop said work, pending the outcome of such challenges ?

Solidarity M B

author by Niallpublication date Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:44author address rossportsolidaritycamp@gmail.comauthor phone Report this post to the editors

His name is Flynn and his number is GW 273.

First name unclear as yet..

He moves around with Conor O'Reilly dishing out assaults.

Conor O'Reilly has yet to show whether he is a member of An garda Síochána or not. Refuses to show his card when requested or challenged.

author by Recpublication date Sun Oct 22, 2006 17:15author address author phone Report this post to the editors


On Friday nights six one news a spokesman from shell to sea pleaded for the government to intervene with the dispute, Reading between the lines is this shell to sea stating publicly that they have lost control of the protest to anarchists and left wing subversives groups which is now beyond there control. We only have to look at Fridays protest when Gerry Crowley TD was ignored by the rent a mob when he pleaded for peaceful protest.

“We have lost control and we need you help for closure”. ?

author by Ciaránpublication date Sun Oct 22, 2006 20:27author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Rec wrote: "We only have to look at Fridays protest when Gerry Crowley TD was ignored by the rent a mob when he pleaded for peaceful protest."

There was a peaceful protest in Friday. It was the Gardaí who were violent and trying to provoke the crowd and to incite trouble. Cowley was only ignored when he called for complete inaction. Get your facts straight.

And what exactly do you mean by "rent a mob"? Rented by whom? Shell to Sea activists had come from around the country in response to a call by the local people for a national day of action. The only rented mob there that day were An Garda Síochána.

author by Recpublication date Sun Oct 22, 2006 22:04author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Ciaran

Peaceful Protest?
The obstruction of persons going to their place of work?
Threatening persons going to their place of work?
Blocking Traffic?

Typical spout …Trying to play the innocent victims to the masses
By the way your rent a mob … did you lot not entice all the professional protesters to mayo with the offer of board and accommodation provided. (Payment)

author by cerpublication date Sun Oct 22, 2006 22:26author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Rec, your analysis is laughable.

"Reading between the lines is this shell to sea stating publicly that they have lost control of the protest to anarchists and left wing subversives groups which is now beyond their control."

Er, no. The anarchists and left wing "subversives" have been involved in the protest for a very long time, and the local people know this. In fact some of the left wing "subversives" are local people.

"We only have to look at Fridays protest when Gerry Crowley TD was ignored by the rent a mob when he pleaded for peaceful protest."

Jerry Cowley wanted a quiet, vigil type protest and was asking people to clear the road and let the Shell trucks through. Not surprisingly, most people there didn't think they had got up so early to watch trucks go through a gate, so they ignored him. The idea of a day of action was supposed to be to stop Shell, not clear the road to watch them drive in to the refinery.

If you think that sit down protests are not peaceful you should check your dictionary, or perhaps you have an interest in all this and would prefer if the protesters were a bit more compliant. I think you should get used to the idea that that that's unlikely to happen.

Dr. Cowley is a local independent TD, whose input into the campaign has been valuable, but he is not the only representative of the campaign, and in many ways he is one of the least commited to its goals.

It's important to remember that his main support base in the 2002 election was from dissaffected Fianna Fáil voters, from other parts of Mayo. His own core support are not that interested in the issue of the pipeline and the great robbery of Ireland's natuaral resources. It's fair to say that Cowley himself would probably be happy to accept much less than Shell going offshore. Indeed, his recent behaviour may show that he is looking for a way to distance himself from the campaign, which is undoubtedly going to get more heated before it's all over.

author by Suzpublication date Sun Oct 22, 2006 22:35author address author phone Report this post to the editors

People should get their facts right before spouting off... the terminal is not illegal.... Shell have planning permission - the only thing outstanding is a license to operate it (an IPPC license) and it will be at least another 3 years before it can operate. Aren't we better trying to get back to the original issue - fighting the construction of a high pressure pipeline? Judging by this weekend's media coverage we are loosing the battle and ill informed comments together with the scenes at the gate in Bellanaboy are not helping.

author by Antpublication date Sun Oct 22, 2006 23:36author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The placement of a relatively simple gas process plant on shore at the end of a production pipeline would not create an unwarranted risk to the local public from the plant.

Richard B Kuprewicz “The proposed corrib onshore system an independent analysis”
Accufacts Inc October 2005.

author by JMpublication date Mon Oct 23, 2006 00:27author address Rossportauthor phone Report this post to the editors

"More to Come

"...The footprint for a simple gas plant is not the large size currently projected... Given the lack of clarity related to this project to date and demonstrated by this report, it is understandable that the local citizens have little confidence in denials concerning future expectations for this site."

"XI. Conclusion and Recommendations

"It should be fairly obvious by now that past information on this project has been less than complete. Much of this information appears to be of a propoganda nature intended to spin public relations to an ill informed or misinformed public or government."

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Add to this declarations by Minister Noel Dempsey in 2005/2006 that future finds would use the Corrib infrastructure, and recent comments from Enda Kenny in the same vein, and you can see what the real issue is.

Bellanaboy would be the base for a massive industrial oil and gas processing complex, handling all finds in the new "Atlantic Margin". Corrib would just be the tip of the iceberg / foot in the door / first drop in the ocean.

To allow Richard Kuprewicz the last word:

"The final decision on the Gas Process Plant site placement rests with the citizens."

Related Link: http://www.shelltosea.com/
author by Kevpublication date Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:12author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Perhaps I am deluded but isn't it the case that no one has found any more gas out there and that there has NEVER been any oil found in Irish waters??? So all of this is nonsense about crude oil refineries. ...... In fact there have only ever been 2 finds of gas - Kinsale and Corrib - despite over 140 wells being drilled. A large piece of land was purchased by Shell so that terminal would be surrounded by forest and the local community wouldn't see it.

author by Woodsmanpublication date Mon Oct 23, 2006 13:22author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Yes, you are deluded if you think:

There's no more gas out there;

Shell bought a huge tract of forest land from Coilte because they want to forest it themselves.

author by Terrypublication date Mon Oct 23, 2006 13:31author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Exxon Mobil and Providence Resources have one gas field and one oil field off the Kerry/Clare coast. Shell have another one they have said is commercially unviable.

author by Mr Chipspublication date Mon Oct 23, 2006 13:37author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Dignified and Peaceful Protest

A submission by Shell to Sea Campaigners that their protest is peaceful and dignified is inaccurate. The images I have witnessed on the news on Friday and my own eyewitness accounts over the last couple of weeks suggest otherwise.

The profanities, and name calling (traitors/ murderers) must be hard to listen to by locals going to work in the early hours and somewhat bewildering to the rest of the nation watching on T.V.

The aggressive and abusive nature of some of their protestors but not all I hasten to add is seriously affecting their credibility nationally.

I also noticed last week placards showing the images of family members; notably children being shoved in the windscreen of Shell contractors presumably in the attempt to tweak at the conscious of those running the gauntlet each morning. To use family photos as an emotive tactic and to suggest their whole family is in danger of imminent death is sensationalism of the highest order crude and distasteful.

Some of the protestors have become so entrenched in the view that its not IF the Pipeline or Terminal explodes but WHEN that they are loosing the plot and can no longer look at this whole debate in a balanced or objective manner.

author by immortal terrierpublication date Mon Oct 23, 2006 18:20author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Name-calling and the use of emotive images is violence? Wise up

author by Croltbopperpublication date Mon Oct 23, 2006 19:23author address author phone Report this post to the editors


The state will protect itself by whatever means necessary, the state and multinationals are one and the same, multi's prop up the state, which in return, creates an environment and provide protection to their pals.

Non Violent Direct Action is vital part of any protest that has not reached an acceptable conclusion through the route of attempting to use a corrupt political system.

What you see now is the state increasing pressure on these nasty stubborn local's, trying to discredit them using all resources at their disposal eg the police, media, local businesses and of course that ‘spy in the camp’ - the local politician who has wormed himself into a position where the protesters come to trust and regard the opinion off, as he passes snippets of information that his political masters drip feed him.

And of course, never forget state sponsored violence, we’ve seen the bruises, the court appearances, the imprisonment – is that enough? Is there more to come? Have the British Police advisers been spotted yet?

Whilst all this is happening let me guess – shell are giving sponsorship to local community groups in an attempt to greenwash themselves and lucrative contracts to local businessmen and politicians sons.

The only way to win this situation is for the community to focus on doing it for itself, people around the world are ready to support you but cannot do it for you, even though this is an issues of global importance. Remember this is merely the thin edge of the wedge Shell will not leave until either the land and sea are barren and empty of resource or they cannot operate.

You do not need politicians or leaders – you have everything you need - courage, compassion and a strong community..

author by alan byrne - SWP- (Personal capacity)publication date Mon Oct 23, 2006 20:05author address author phone Report this post to the editors


locals going to work were let pass, (unless they were behind a truck, which were forced through anyway) with a large number beeping in support as they passed us.

also, if anyone wanted to get violent, there was more than enough large rocks along the road which could have been used to violent ends. i did not hear or see a single person suggesting reciprocating violent action against the gards, which would have been obviously futile. All suggestions were for NVDA and to take what beatings you got on the chin, which was a tactic well adhered to.

author by cool jpublication date Mon Oct 23, 2006 22:41author address author phone Report this post to the editors

There are barely a dozen so called locals(excluding security personell) working full time on the site - The rest are Roadbridge scab-labour from outside Mayo.

As regards Jerry Cowley - He is the only Mayo TD that has had the balls to stand up for the local people on this issue and deserves great credit for that. ShelltoSea is a diverse group and support from whatever source is always welcome. This of course leads to differing views on how things should pan out on typical morning demo and because of this the campaign has no problem with people protesting at the site anyway they want so long as it is NVDA which comes in many forms as was demonstrated this morning. The only violece and unpleasentness so far has emininated from Shell's cops and a Shell contractor who delibratly damaged protestors cars earlier in the month.

author by Mr Chipspublication date Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:47author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Incorrect, there are many more locals than that. I suppose it depends on what radius around the Terminal you regard as local.

I failed to mention the word “scab” in my earlier piece as another indicator of S2S’s total contempt for those workers who pass the protest each morning. I assume its contempt since they did not replace you as a striking worker!

All you are doing is attempting to demonise everyone who opposes you with language such as traitors, murderers, scabs, shell cops and many others not worth mentioning. These groups are ordinary folk like you and I. All they are trying to do is the best for themselves and their families. They are not the faceless demonic corporate multinationals you so strongly oppose. Although I’m sure you will retort that’s who pays their wages.

Look, the point I’m trying to make is S2S shouldn’t be trying to intimidate Shell contractors who pass them each morning. They should look to pass victories and seek to leverage the best possible deals this project will bring to the area. The road S2S are following draws them further and further away from the public perception of this conflict. The people S2S attempt to demonise are the same hard working ordinary folk who sit down after dinner and watch the evening news....and they are not impressed.

author by chips are downpublication date Tue Oct 24, 2006 13:56author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Is there such a shortage of jobs in this country that anyone is FORCED by circumstances to work for Shell?

Are the police who are being so heavy handed in Mayo being forced to be there?

History is full of instances of people who were guilty of terrible crimes against their fellow men saying : "I was only doing my job".

author by Antpublication date Tue Oct 24, 2006 14:19author address author phone Report this post to the editors

XI. Conclusion and recommendations

These are final words..

It is hoped that this report permits all parties to shift in to a more responsible dialogue and reach a more informed and balanced decision on this critical matter.

author by Jmpublication date Tue Oct 24, 2006 14:49author address author phone Report this post to the editors

4.1 During April and May a number of separate meetings were held with the Rossport 5 and
with Shell to discuss various development concepts and routes. Shell indicated on a number
of occasions that it wished to tease out these options in direct face to face talks with the
Rossport 5. The Rossport 5 did not wish to meet directly with Shell except possibly at the
end of the process when a viable alternative was on the table for agreement.

author by philpublication date Wed Oct 25, 2006 01:27author address author phone Report this post to the editors

hi everyone first thing to say good to see the debate going on, over here in Newcastle we watch and read with interest having had a couple of speakers at the Tyneside Irish Centre that provoked a lot of interest (and not a little heat as well ). It seems to me that the struggle against shell in Rossport is the same struggle by little people against the wishes of the powerful and wealthy across the world. The oil industry has quite literally despoiled the planet, it has left most of the communities it has visited impoverished and brought the entire eco sphere dangerously close to the point of colllapse. I think that this is increasingly understood. What I don't understand is why some people in Ireland should think it will be different in Rossport. It's a shame to see the name calling and bitterness of those who seeem to think only of the wage packet and tomorrow and not to think of the future of your beautiful country and of the whole planet that will be forsaken for profit and greed. Why does shell want to invest in Ireland? For the profit it can suck out of it of course, even shell agree with that. so decide which side of that fence you sit on and if you're against,support the rossport campaign keep up the struggle and we'll do what we can over here.

author by chrissiepublication date Thu Oct 26, 2006 16:45author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I was present on Fri 20th & saw no bad behaviour or violence from Shell to Sea protestors, but witnessed plenty of violent action, obvious insulting provocation, & 'over-zealous policing' by some of the police; to be fair, many of the Guards tried to handle the situation more gently & seemed to be appalled at what they were required to do against peaceful citizens, though scared at what a crowd might be roused to do.
Jerry Cowley obviously wished for a totally peaceful demonstration, & why shldn't he? He has taken a huge risk in supporting Shell to Sea & his Erris constituents over this, has to think in terms of political expediency, & must be very wary after reading the unbalanced media reports about 'Sinn Fein takeovers' & 'wild-eyed anarchists' - he feared rioting & injuries too, also being blamed for any injury or damage.
For any democratic solution to the Shell problem, the people must keep protesting for justice, as any other resistance is ignored.

author by supporterpublication date Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:48author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Noel Dempseys statement in the Iirsh times this morning just shows who are the people who want a resoltion .

author by cool jpublication date Sat Oct 28, 2006 04:46author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Whats your defination of local chipper - Anyone holding an Irish passport maybe?? - Maybe even Andy Pyle qualifies as local???,

All these people hard up workers you talk about will be only be employed for just over a year(construction phase) - What will happen to them then?? - I'm sure they might move on to the next contract and not die of starvation or want?? - What do think?, At least they or their families won't have to live with the consequences of Shell's abomination at Bellenaboy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

author by Mr Chipspublication date Tue Oct 31, 2006 16:09author address author phone Report this post to the editors

There are many people in the Erris community working on the Terminal. How else do the protesters hurl abuse at them by name? How many houses do these people rent out, none because they live locally.

I’m certain Andy Pyle is not local hence he does not work on the construction site.

These people are not hard up, they are hard working. They will always find work and will sacrifice the work- life balance in doing so. That said why shouldn’t they avail of local employment if its on their doorstep. What lawful right does anybody have in trying to stop them. Why should they have to travel far and wide?

You are wrong if you think these men will only be employed for just over a year. The project construction phase will extend to 2 and half years at the very least. I’m certain on completion direct and indirect employment opportunities will also be available.

As for the “abomination”, be rational. Its that sort of language which adds to the hysteria.

author by Curiouspublication date Tue Oct 31, 2006 20:22author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"I’m certain on completion direct and indirect employment opportunities will also be available."

Why?

author by supporterpublication date Tue Oct 31, 2006 22:03author address author phone Report this post to the editors

What happened this morning at the protest?Were the protestors stopped from marching or something by the gardai?

author by Mr Chipspublication date Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:30author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Curious

It takes manpower to operate a gas terminal (control room operators, electricians, engineers, mechanics, fitters, managers, clerical staff, caterers, cleaners, security etc)

I have been told by Shell that it is their policy to hire and train locals where practicable.

Shell is currently hiring local construction, machine hire, material supply and manpower contractors where possible during the construction stage. From what I was told and seen I have confidence that Shell will continue to hire locals when the Terminal is operational.

author by curiouspublication date Fri Nov 03, 2006 23:07author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"It takes manpower to operate a gas terminal (control room operators, electricians, engineers, mechanics, fitters, managers, clerical staff, caterers, cleaners, security etc)".

Do you believe, honestly now, that Shell is going to send the farmers and fishermen of Erris to train as control room operators, electricians, engineers, mechanics, fitters, and managers?

Or will they hire the already qualified staff they have in Scotland who have worked in the north sea with them (on offshore projects) for years?

Let's see now - that leaves clerical staff, caterers, cleaners, and security. So the low paid, easily replaceable jobs on minimum wage might go to the locals, but Shell might just hire whoever is cheapest, which is what they do around the world.

Why do you believe they won't do that in Mayo? Because they say so?

The company has a history of corruption, fraud, double-dealing and even murder. Their own staff admit the culture of Shell is seriously flawed. Last year they made five local men spend three months in prison, then had them released and issued a mealy mouthed apology. Why do you take their word?

"I have been told by Shell that it is their policy to hire and train locals where practicable."

Yeah right. I have been told that Santa exists. Doesn't make it so.

"Shell is currently hiring local construction, machine hire, material supply and manpower contractors where possible during the construction stage. From what I was told and seen I have confidence that Shell will continue to hire locals when the Terminal is operational."

Shell does what whatever makes financial sense for its shareholders. That's what fiduciary duty means. Shell's directors can't do anything that would lower the profits of the company without breaking the fiduciary duty they have to the shareholders. The only thing that would make them hire someone that is local over someone who is cheap is if they were contractually obliged to.

Lastly, you know even Shell admit that the largest amount of jobs that there will be at the refinery is fifty people? Do you really think Erris losing its tourist industry is worth the fifty jobs?

author by Andrew - .publication date Sat Nov 04, 2006 02:57author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Response to curious

“Do you believe, honestly now, that Shell is going to send the farmers and fishermen of Erris to train as control room operators, electricians, engineers, mechanics, fitters, and managers? Or will they hire the already qualified staff they have in Scotland who have worked in the north sea with them (on offshore projects) for years?”

You’re correct ….
Everyone in the region is either a farmer or a fisherman and shell more than likely will not be employing them. However Mayo has an abundance of people with technical skills who have no other choice but to leave the region to look for work. For example look around at some of the major Pharma / I.T construction projects in the country , there you will find plenty of people on board from Mayo . Electricians , Fitters , Commissioning Engineers , Validation Engineers ,Process Engineers to name but a few , all of whom would rather be working at home.

“Let's see now - that leaves clerical staff, caterers, cleaners, and security. So the low paid, easily replaceable jobs on minimum wage might go to the locals, but Shell might just hire whoever is cheapest, which is what they do around the world.”

Once again correct…
What is the industry rate at the moment for clerical workers?? , I’d safely say that it would be similar to that of clerical workers who are employed in Castlebar, Westport, Ballina, Belmullet, etc etc. As for Catering, Cleaning, and Security most of these tasks would be sub-contracted out to specialist concerns. Standard procedure with in the market place even in Mayo. Open you’re eyes.

Why do you believe they won't do that in Mayo? Because they say so?

You’re too Good Curious…
It’s a bit like Shell to Sea and the moving sands and goal posts!!!

“The company has a history of corruption, fraud, double-dealing and even murder. Their own staff admit the culture of Shell is seriously flawed. Last year they made five local men spend three months in prison, then had them released and issued a mealy mouthed apology. Why do you take their word?”

Careful now….
Show me a company or a person that does dabble in corruption, double dealing and fraud. Maybe not in the grand scale, we all do it, inflating our expense accounts, and I’m only assuming working while claiming social welfare payments! , Falsifying Dept of Agriculture farm subsidies! And what other subsidies or payments are out there.

Yeah right. I have been told that Santa exists. Doesn't make it so.

Yeah right.
I have been told by shell to sea that all the protesters are local. Doesn't make it so.
I have been told by shell to sea that the pipeline will explode. Doesn't make it so.
I have been told by shell to sea that the terminal will kill me. Doesn't make it so.

Shell does what whatever makes financial sense for its shareholders. That's what fiduciary duty means. Shell's directors can't do anything that would lower the profits of the company without breaking the fiduciary duty they have to the shareholders. The only thing that would make them hire someone that is local over someone who is cheap is if they were contractually obliged to.

So True..
Every company operates in the same way or do you know different .if so please enlighten.
Last year shell were getting slated for not giving local contractors the opportunity to tender for works packages, this issue has now been addressed so what is your dilemma with that?

Lastly, you know even Shell admit that the largest amount of jobs that there will be at the refinery is fifty people? Do you really think Erris losing its tourist industry is worth the fifty jobs?

Ok …
What are the tourist figures annually for the Erris ? , Elaborate on how the tourist industry will be affected? And show me some examples with in Ireland or the British isles of similar tourist regions which were destroyed?
However you could be on a spinner there, similar to what they do in Belfast, conflict tours I think. Some enterprising shell to sea commando could organise a tour which would take in all the protest sites, the beach head landing camp, the garda ambush site, the hand of god site were muras legs gave way, and finally the mobile HQ sheep trailer. I’m surprised that the sheep have not started revolting since they lost there transport … Probably too scared or to busy to complain!

author by Fraud watcherpublication date Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:57author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The Reserves Fraud.

The Brent Scandal.

The illegal flaring in the US.

The attempt to dodge royalty payments in the US.

The Chip and Pin Fraud (definitely an inside job say latest reports).

The hanging of Ken Saro Wiwa and the Ogoni Eight.

The many thousands of Ogoni displaced, injured, bankrupted, and killed.

The imprisonment of the Rossport Five.

The bribery and corruption of business people and others in Mayo.

That's just off the top of my head. Hardly the same as fiddling your lunch expenses is it?

But no. You think everyone should forget about all that and trust Shell.

Tell me, wouldn't it make your trolling more effective if you used the word "refinery", rather than sticking to Shell speak?

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author by cool jpublication date Sat Nov 04, 2006 15:53author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Even Shell have admitted that the refinery once built will provide barely 40 jobs. Take away low paid cleaning/security jobs and your not left with much. Any specialist(petrochemicals etc.) jobs will be filled by Shell personell from outside Mayo.

Seen we are on the subject of jobs what about the livelyhoods of fisherman, people in the tourist industry,farmers etc. whose jobs will be at grave risk form this project?. Don't beleive me read the EIS on the seriously negitive affect this project will have on the marine and terrestrial environment in the area. The reletivly pristine environment of Erris is and has always been its greatest generator of employment and will continue to be if properly preserved. Shell's project can only mean economic and social decay for the area!!.

author by cool jpublication date Sat Nov 04, 2006 17:22author address author phone Report this post to the editors

No one calls the shots on this campaign - even Jerry Cowley. People can protest at Bellanboy anyway they like - Remember the enemy is Shell and their state puppets, here in Erris we welcome all support no matter what party or creed, as can be seen from the number of politicians from North and South who have taken an interest in the issue.

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