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Jump To Comment: 4 3 2 1....those CSO stats are this years.
Also officials from the CSO told the Government last week that they will not reduce poverty below the 5% mark despite Government commitments to reduce it to 2%. It now stands at 7%.
300,000 people live in poverty. Common sense would dictate that a change in policy is needed.
The level of poverty is even more "shameful" when people come back to live here because of economic factors and our booming economy etc and then these are the figures that in reality are the most recent.
the bottom line is that the poverty was much much worse in this country
common sense should tell you that when we have Irish people returning home to stay that the state of the country is much much better off than when 200,000 on average left it
there is still a shamefull amount of poverty, just not as much as before though.
using stats that are years out of date does nothing to inspire confidence in what you say or who you represent
Nope. Not being selective at all. I just repeated what was in the report. But if you don't like the look of that, you could always use the CSO statistics. Either way it still means that there is a significant level of poverty in this country. You can be picky about the use of the terminology if you want but "relative poverty" still means a standard of living that is lower than what is generally accepted by Irish society. According to the Government's own National Anti-Poverty Strategy "People are living in poverty if their income and resources (material, cultural and social) are so inadequate as to preclude them from having a standard of living that is regarded as acceptable by Irish society generally. As a result of inadequate income and resources, people may be excluded and marginalised from participating in activities that are considered the norm for other people." In 2004, 20% of the population lived on an income of less than €185 a week.
So you might interpret all this at being "tops" of the EU index but according to the CSO the Irish at risk of poverty of rate is still one of the highest in the EU where we are matched only by Portugal and the Slovak Republic.
And as for the use of the literacy tests, well I think it's quite important to bear in mind that according to the OECD 25% of the Irish adult population have the lowest level of literacy ability. Given the links that literacy problems have to unemployment, and the links that unemployment has to poverty (whether it be relative or consistent). It is still a piss-poor reflection on government policies and getting back to my original point the indications given in the budget estimates won't do anything to change this.
You are being very selective regarding the UN report that came out last week..
The UN Human Development Report publishes 2 indices.
One is called the Human Development Index (HDI for short) and measures the overall quality of life in each country, based on living standards, education, health, unemployment etc. This one put Ireland 4th in the world, bettered only by Norway, Iceland and Australia. In other words, we're tops in the EU on this index. If memory serves me right, we were 32nd on this index in the mid 90s.
The other is called the Human Poverty Index (HPI) for short. This is supposed to measure relative poverty. Not absolute poverty, but relative poverty. This is the one that put Ireland 17th out of 18 developed countries. There is only one problem with your argument regarding this index. Its almost wholly based on the results of a literacy survey carried out in 1995. That's right, 1995. The poor dears at the U.N. haven't got round to updating the results for this one since then. If it were based on 2005 data, we'd have shot to near the top of this one just like the HDI one which actually is based on up-to-date data.