The Neary Bequest

by not patient enough Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:00

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Neary

http://www.dohc.ie/press/releases/2004/20040629b.html

Caesarian hysterectomies-

The removal of the uterus as a part of the child bearing process:
He told young pregnant women that they needed a caesarian section then took the womb.

Hysterectomy involves the removal of the womb and is serious traumatic surgery
both emotionally and physically.

C aesarians are deep tissue surgery involving the cutting into the uterus to remove
the infant and only should be undertaken in emergencies or with patient
contraindications such as diabetes.

It takes many weeks to recover from the tissue trauma and no work is allowed.
Therefore bonding with the infant is difficult and the patient has to understand
that the medical condition is very serious.
no driving/bending/sex/
Then there is the stitching and removal of stitiches.

Healthy ordinary pregnant women were subject to this sociopathy and no-one asked
the question regarding the high instance of c-sections in the Lady of Lourdes
hospital.

Why has the issue of consultant/patient not been regulated?

This is The opinion-bit:-

Sometimes women have to have the C-section becuase of health issues.
most Dublin hospitals will not advise women unless there is sufficent medical
evidence that it is indeed the only way. I was so advised for my second child
but after a battery of blood-tests the borderline condition (diabetes) was
sufficently in check to allow a normal mid-wife assisted delivery.

Years upon years of plain criminal sociopathy happened in Drogheda.
it is unacceptable to us as a society to allow criminal damage of this
magnitude be perpetuated against women in what is a most vulnerable time.

by anon Thu Apr 19, 2007 20:25

Why is there no ombudsman for hospitals they are obviously structured institutions

175 women had their ovaries, wombs , ovaries and wombs removed by a man
with a pathological condition.

He was covered, lied for and justified in his abuse by the institution of the hospital
which is a hierarchical structure.

Fiscal redress does not ensure repitition of these behaviours.

Organ harvesting has occured on an institutional basis, but largely post-mortem
in Ireland (and for profit) for many years- with it seems the concurrence of
our hospital boards.

There has been a systemic failure on the part of sucessive governments to address
the issues of failure in the medical system and upholding a negative profiteering
ethos seem more important.

1. Hospitals require boards that are comprised of medical experts
and independent appointees by a statutory body- and not a crony
or non-professional board.

2. Regulatory Bodies and an ombudsman's office is esssential.

3. Victims of malpractice should not bear the burden of proof in cases of institutional abuse.

4. Full disclosure of all evidence should be forthcoming by the relevant dept in the
event of criminal cases.

Dr Michael Neary

by Mick Butler Fri Apr 20, 2007 16:50

You may well find that the outrage if it widespread is rather muted. There is not many coming on to this thread to express their opinion. In a sense that is understandable as most people are in good health most of the time. I had one interaction with the Medical Council and it left an indelible mark on me.

The really shocking element is that when people are at their most vulnerable they expect in a civilised society that this is the very time that they will be cared for and looked after, in most cases (although the most is getting less as the health care "market" gains a firmer foothold ) people are well treated. This is truly a shocking scenario, Neary is a psychopath in my opinion, I met a woman who went under his knife and the words he uttered to her chilled my blood.

This sort of stuff should be real election accountability material. Any chance ?

by C Murray Fri Apr 20, 2007 18:56

The daily newspapers report that the 45 million euros due to the 175 women is to
applied for within 60 days.

No-one has commented on the system that decides how much compensation is due to the
women. It is 'scaled'- if a woman had an unnecessary Caesarian hysterectomy(C) -section
after her firstchild she is entitled to more money than a woman who has had more kids and is
not as heavily impacted in terms of her reproductive ability.

Who gets to decide the viabilty of the woman in this instance?

it is a repellent and sexist way to decide on how much psychological harm
and distress was caused to the patient , it is also unsettling that these issues
are dealt with in such a manner.

by Ginger Cooke Sun Apr 22, 2007 16:13

We should sincerely accept that the fundamental lesson to be gained from the atrocities committed by Dr. Neary is a total collapse of regard and acquiecence to the Medical Council when they talk of protecting the public.

They have nothing but the most ferocious contempt for those who approach them with evidence of malpractice. Their ability to invoke the mantle of secrecy at virtually every opportunity is the surest sign of their cynical and devious manner.

Wide -ranging reform leading to the dismantling of their corrosive elitie cannot come too soon.

The current Bill does not do the job!

by C Murray Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:43

Todays papers have reports that 50 additional women have been informed over the last
month that their ovaries were unnecessarily removed in procedures carried out by Dr
Neary. These are in addition to the women who have unnecessary caesarian hysterectomies
after giving birth in Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital.

A Caesarian Hysterectomy for a healthy woman patient involves removing the womb of the
woman immeadiately after she gives birth. The use of caesarian should be limited in any case
to emergency delivery and not as an option in the process of partruition.

The links above detail the compensation procedure and how a woman head of the Dept
of Health has seen fit to grade the compensation according to perceived damages
based on where in her reproductive life a woman was assaulted in by Dr Neary.
There have never been any criminal charges laid against Neary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Neary

The reports are in the pages of the Irish independent.

For the complications of caesarian hysterectomy from a physical and emotional viewpoint :

1. Deep tissue trauma.
2. Six week recovery period.
3. Inabiity to bond with or care for the infant.
4. Effected sex life.
5. inability to drive,lift or work.
6. Breast feding effected by drug and recovery.

and of course inability to continue to have children, hormonal difficulties including the onset of early menopause. grief.
It really is surprising that no-one has brought criminal charges against the man.

by C Murray Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:00

the Hospital which was concerned in the unecessary caesarian hysterectomies was
Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital in Drogheda. The reports are in today's independent
am searching the link on the two hospital board resignations and the original releases
on the Neary case:-

http://www.irishealth.com/index.html?level=4&id=5210

is a 2003 report on the case and the direct repurcussions of it. The wiki page needs updating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micheal_Neary

The 50 additional cases are not of caesarian hysterectomy but of ovarian removal
by Dr Neary in that hospital.

by C Murray Tue Aug 28, 2007 08:40

Media reports this morning that two separate reports have been commissioned by Victims of Neary
with a view to criminal proceedings, the two UK experts have been getting coverage in the
weekend broadsheets and the irish dailies. The reports thus far suggest angles regarding
'criminal responsibility' and recorded medical procedures which may point to 'incompetence'.
The Minister for Health had started a graded compensation procedure which decided
the amount of cash due each victim of either Caesarian hysterectomy or ovarian 'removal'
on the basis of longterm reproductive viability. The women have to apply for the compo, along
with a certificate stating the medical/emotional repurcussion of the unnecessary procedures
at Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital Drogheda.

Dr Neary, it seems is facing a civil action (and attendant media fracas). he is quite silent,
probably under legal advisement.

Thus far:-
*The hospital , an ethical institute with the care of the patient as its aim had not facilitated
the patient by no-one thinking to blow the whistle on the really high level of unnecessary
ovarian removals and caesarian hysterectomies in their institution.

*Two consultants who backed Neary have resigned on pension.

*No criminal charges have yet been profferred against Dr Neary.

*The graded compensation scheme is insulting to the woman, as she must 1. apply
for it. 2. Accept that if she is 25 and has a long reproductive life she will get more
than a woman who is nearing the end of her reproductive life and has already
produced children.

No-one who has been victimised by the man has received answers to their questions
and must await the high price lawyers, the due process and the multiple investigations.

anyone who has suffered long term cases against the state, the church (the Hospital has the
usual Catholic ethos) and institutions will empathise today with the difficulty the
individual person has in getting answers as to why their lives were blighted by
one person who seems protected by the very mechanisms designed to protect
the patient- in this case women who are in labour/giving birth.