Treaty of Lisbon

by trevor Logan Mon Apr 14, 2008 17:19

vote no to Lisbon
Why would i vote Yes to a Franco-Deutsch tyranny? does guys don't have a great history
Hello my fellow concerned Irish citizens.

First of all the Lisbon treaty is scaring the shit out of me. Some of my more paranoid views that I have been ridiculed over the years, these days, seems to carry weight. I have amplified my views to the public about this Referendum only to fall on closed ears. Partly I am to blame, I am a hopeless romantic and told spiels which were of extraordinary proportions in the past. I have naively chosen to believe in alternative views quicker than the general mainstream opinion and I have been corrected were I was wrong. Basically I would be the guy who would echo the 9/11 truth movement documentaries in the pub and not realize were I was contradicting myself.

I am not the best person to persuade someone's political view but one thing I have come to realize over my years of speaking out is that the ordinary person 'the lay man' doesn't give a crap about how this will effect other people in poorer parts of Europe. He/she wants to know how this treaty will effect them. How you can persuade the lay man and white collar to vote no is to simply talk about the future taxation policies of Europe. The common consolidated tax is a major treat to the Irish economy. It is due to low corporate tax in Ireland that created the Celtic tiger. Brussels want to have more control over non-European corporations and give more power to European corporations. Don't forget it was mostly due to American transnationals such as Dell, Microsoft and the likes that boosted our Economy. Even though their all slimy bastards when it came to the Shannon situation we have to acknowledge that American companies employ a lot of Irish people. the link below is from the horses mouth about the future of European taxation.

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/company_t...n.htm

If you are talking about Lisbon, talk about the taxation. If people believe they are going to loose their fortunes they will vote NO.

i think it is important to add that it has been reported that Brussels aren't going to discuss the policies of the TCCT until after the Irish referendum.

If I am misguiding in my statements, please correct me, we have to inform each other the best we can because the Mainstream Media of Ireland aren't doing their job at all and we have been given a label also 'European skeptics'.

It is evident to me that the majority of the Irish people have never heard of the Lisbon Treaty. We must discuss this issue as much as we can in public life. inform yourself, your friends and colleagues because the clock is ticking and start the debate on the Taxation policies, i believe you will change the minds of the passive into active and try to persuade the non-voter to vote No! A few of my friends who don't like engaging in politics are doing that for me. If I can do it, so can you.

Vote No to Lisbon.

keep an eye out for my graffiti in the Dublin area. if you want to hear my more paranoid views just ask! Trevor Logan is an alias, i am not that Naive.

by redrO ldroW weN Mon Apr 07, 2008 02:19

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183...dex=0

by Mark Sat Apr 05, 2008 16:43

What we need is a European Union of Sovereign States.

What we'll get, if we vote for the Lisbon Treaty, is a European Union of Bullied States.

It's as simple as that.

by mindfuck Sat Apr 05, 2008 00:13

The first time round, they sent pamphlets aimed at the lowest common denominator of European voter in France, Luxembourg, Spain & The Netherlands explaining how wonderful Europe was & giving little run-downs on the principle symbols like the flag of twelve stars and the anthem which is the final movement of Beethoven's 9th symphony with the rousing choral setting of Schiller's "ode to joy". Ludwig began work on the symphony in 1818 once Europe was settling down after Napoleon and set the theme tune of the EU in 1823 with final revisions applied in 1824 before its premier. It was not the first time in his life he had worked with the poem and related material (Prometheus - also so beloved by the Shelley couple, Percy the atheist and Mary the mother of Frankenstein) The material had expressed well his belief in love and for its promotion the need for revolution since his initiation into the order of the illuminati which of course was to be proscribed and notoriously calumnified thereafter for its stated objectives of destroying the class based structures of society and replacing them with a global world of free-thinking humans complete with encyclopedias & notions of inate rights based on their evident equality regardless of ethnicity, race, gender, or socio-economic class origin. [Pretty devilish stuff - most people would agree.]

* He was evicted because he lived in a society which had no right to housing.
* He went deaf because he lived in a society which had no right to healthcare.
* He sometimes went hungry because he lived in a society with no right to work.
* He was a German despite there being no right to self-determination.
* He was a cantankerous fucker with a well unpleasant obsessive habit of litigation who hated Napoleon.

Somehow we remember him because despite all that bollox, he composed very good music in the high art tradition which transcends bullshit & communicates universal truths without needing accompanying lyric sheets or explanatory guidelines. I believe you're not being offered the propaganda in Ireland which was issued first time around on the mainland of Europe, because rather than convincing you to vote Yes! it deftly reminds you, why you should vote No!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Anthem

Sinister Hoods, Stars & Bombs..,

by Ronoc Fri Apr 04, 2008 20:41

A no vote doesnt neccesarily mean we should leave the union. The union is not a bad thing, its just the treaty which is being passed without the consent of all the peoples of europe...

by RAGAMUFFIN Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:34

Ireland relinquished it's self as an independant country the day it joined the European Community.

It joined to obtain financial benefits that brought about major improvements to the socio-economical life.

With the advent of the Lisbon Treaty drawing closer, the people of this country have two choices.

1 of becoming a totally immerged country within a grand European State - which will eventually have one Flag and one government and one anthem

2 of leaving the E.C and paying back all European loans.
That will ensure the regaining it's true independance and living in poverty.

The choice is yours, because you have lived on the European Pig's back for years and now either way you are going to live under it's belly and have the status of a european village.
Which is what a country of 4+ million people look like as a statistic - get used to it!

by Aidan Fri Apr 04, 2008 02:07

Nigel Farage a British MEP with alot to say about europe and the Lisbon Treaty. Many videos of his speeches at the eu parliment below...

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Nigel+Farag...type=

by Ronoc Thu Apr 03, 2008 18:20

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-429177048947255...dex=0

Here is a documentary of the EU and the lisbon treaty made by some young Irish people. Informative and has interviews with elected officials.

The Treaty poses a serious treat to the Irish constitution and all other member states. So Don please explain when you say liars. This treaty will open up something that wont be able to be changed! It hands over power to unelected officials, and thats fact...

by Don Thu Apr 03, 2008 18:01

MichealY, you claim that your organises to study the treaty. You know this is not true. I've seen you "debate" the treaty before. Your group are liars and scaremongers. I wont Sinn Fein telling me that they are "anti-war". Or Daithi Dolan calling me an "oppressor".

by William Kilgore Thu Apr 03, 2008 18:01

........about the upcoming referendum and the need to vote No from link below

by MichaelY - Vote No to the Lisbon Treaty Campaign Thu Apr 03, 2008 16:19

The CAEUC - Campaign Against the EU Constitution - Vote No to Lisbon has been working since last November in order to study, understand and analyse the 300 plus pages of the Treaty, its 12 new Protocols and several dozen Declarations.

The result of this work is in our 32 pp pamphlet that can be downloaded in pdf format from :
http://www.caeuc.org/index.php?q=node/2.

14 organisations and activist groups are affiliated to the CAEUC, including Sinn Fein, the Communist Party, the Workers Party, the Socialist Party, the iawm, the ISN, the IRSP, Eirigi, the Peoples Movement, PANA and others. The CAEUC's progressive, left wing and pro working class approach has nothing to do with Libertas or the Christian Right that are arguing for a NO vote from their own perspective.

100,000 CAEUC leaflets and 5,000 CAEUC posters are in the final stages of preparation. We need your support, we need debate, we need your encouragement. We can provide you with information, speakers and presentations.

Contact the CAEUC in www.caeuc.org

by Jim Thu Apr 03, 2008 15:47

Several hundred years of fighting for freedom and now the powers that be are urging us to give it away to Brussells...