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these are the main reasons why I and many Green party members are voting no to Lisbon

category national | eu | opinion/analysis author Thursday June 12, 2008 13:31author by old fashioned Green Report this post to the editors

Reason no 1 is the watering down of EU chemicals Legislation (REACH)

these are the main reasons why I and many Green party members are voting no to Lisbon and why we refused to campaign for a yes vote.
Reason no 1: REACH
Reason no 2: Nuclear power
Reason no 3: EU Corruption
Reason no 4: EU Police state.

these are the main reasons why I and many Green party members are voting no to Lisbon and why some of us campaigned for a NO vote.

Reason no 1: is the gutting of the EU's own REACH chemical legislation by vested interests (big corporations). This was covered in an indymedia article at the time but ignored by the NO campaigns.
here is a link to the original indymedia story: http://www.indymedia.ie/article/69010 also: http://www.foe.co.uk/resource/press_releases/chemicals_....html

Reason no 2: Nuclear power. This is of course close to many green hearts. As long standing envirnmental activist and Green Party councillor Bronwen Maher said that on the issue of nuclear power and the lisbon Treaty in response to the protocol inserted in Lisbon on the Euratom Treaty, "It does mean that we will have to support further expansion of nuclear power plants and to accept nuclear power through the national grid." Enough said on that.

Reason no 3: EU corruption. There has been a news blackout on this by the Irish mainstream media but brave and courageous 'whistleblowers' have been exposing this for years now. some of them have been sacked and persecuted for their honesty. I remmember indymedia covering corruption in the EU commission during the Nice referendum in relation to the entire EU commission having to resign over the fraud and corruption that is rampant is Brussells.

Reason no 4: EU Police state. 9/11 gave the EU elite the pretext they always wanted and needed to rush through repressive legislation and powers which they will need to keep their citizens in line as the EU becomes too big and unwieldy into the future. Some EU Cops forces are so heavy handed with anti nuclear and anti globalisation protestors that they make the Gardai look like born again pacifists. www.statewatch.org is a good source for this information.

Related Link: http://www.spinwatch.org/content/view/4479/8/
author by Seamuspublication date Sat Jun 14, 2008 07:31author address author phone Report this post to the editors

One thing in your argument against the Lisbon treaty stood out - to stop further nuclear plants. Why? Do you prefer to choke the atmosphere with C02 as there is no cleaner alternative, at least medium term then fission reactors. Have you not read the sane and logical arguments put forward by one of the planets true friends James Lovelock?
It never ceases to amaze me that so called greens are so blinkered and stupid as not to see that the only solution that can be put into operation in less then 10years to at least half co2 emissions is the nuclear option.

Our precious Earth can handle nuclear waste, even accidents, much more readily then the slow suffocation by c02 emissions and the resulting warming its causing now, and the huge extinctions (including most of mankind) that we are facing into now.

But no, keep waffling about 'renewables' which are non starters. Just look at 'bio fuels' for example.
When will ye wake up???

Is mise,
Seamus

author by jedi knightpublication date Fri Jun 13, 2008 20:42author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I know some Greens who are opposed to the Eu police state and nuclear power and who were campaigning for a no vote, a few of them mentioned the chemicals regulations that the EU allowed to be muzzled. On balance it is better that they oppose their opportunist leaders and fight them on the inside I am not sure if a breakaway green party is feasible , however if the leadership runs with lisbon 2 (and I would not trust them as far as they could be thrown) ther might be a parting of the ways or Greens against lisbon2 ?

author by JBpublication date Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:23author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Patricia McKenna is refusing to leave. They'll have to kick her out to stop her attending party conferences and trying to bring some sense of integrity and bravery back into the party. I'm sure Gormley would love all the die-hard greens to leave, and then he'd have a party that has a green veneer, but a Fianna Fail soul...

author by Sevinc Karaca - WSM-Personal capacitypublication date Thu Jun 12, 2008 18:16author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I invite above signed members and supporters of Green Party to leave their party, good luck.

 
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