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Indymedia Ireland is a volunteer-run non-commercial open publishing website for local and international news, opinion & analysis, press releases and events. Its main objective is to enable the public to participate in reporting and analysis of the news and other important events and aspects of our daily lives and thereby give a voice to people.

offsite link Fraud and mismanagement at University College Cork Thu Aug 28, 2025 18:30 | Calli Morganite
UCC has paid huge sums to a criminal professor
This story is not for republication. I bear responsibility for the things I write. I have read the guidelines and understand that I must not write anything untrue, and I won't.
This is a public interest story about a complete failure of governance and management at UCC.

offsite link Deliberate Design Flaw In ChatGPT-5 Sun Aug 17, 2025 08:04 | Mind Agent
Socratic Dialog Between ChatGPT-5 and Mind Agent Reveals Fatal and Deliberate 'Design by Construction' Flaw
This design flaw in ChatGPT-5's default epistemic mode subverts what the much touted ChatGPT-5 can do... so long as the flaw is not tickled, any usage should be fine---The epistemological question is: how would anyone in the public, includes you reading this (since no one is all knowing), in an unfamiliar domain know whether or not the flaw has been tickled when seeking information or understanding of a domain without prior knowledge of that domain???!

This analysis is a pretty unique and significant contribution to the space of empirical evaluation of LLMs that exist in AI public world... at least thus far, as far as I am aware! For what it's worth--as if anyone in the ChatGPT universe cares as they pile up on using the "PhD level scholar in your pocket".

According to GPT-5, and according to my tests, this flaw exists in all LLMs... What is revealing is the deduction GPT-5 made: Why ?design choice? starts looking like ?deliberate flaw?.

People are paying $200 a month to not just ChatGPT, but all major LLMs have similar Pro pricing! I bet they, like the normal user of free ChatGPT, stay in LLM's default mode where the flaw manifests itself. As it did in this evaluation.

offsite link AI Reach: Gemini Reasoning Question of God Sat Aug 02, 2025 20:00 | Mind Agent
Evaluating Semantic Reasoning Capability of AI Chatbot on Ontologically Deep Abstract (bias neutral) Thought
I have been evaluating AI Chatbot agents for their epistemic limits over the past two months, and have tested all major AI Agents, ChatGPT, Grok, Claude, Perplexity, and DeepSeek, for their epistemic limits and their negative impact as information gate-keepers.... Today I decided to test for how AI could be the boon for humanity in other positive areas, such as in completely abstract realms, such as metaphysical thought. Meaning, I wanted to test the LLMs for Positives beyond what most researchers benchmark these for, or have expressed in the approx. 2500 Turing tests in Humanity?s Last Exam.. And I chose as my first candidate, Google DeepMind's Gemini as I had not evaluated it before on anything.

offsite link Israeli Human Rights Group B'Tselem finally Admits It is Genocide releasing Our Genocide report Fri Aug 01, 2025 23:54 | 1 of indy
We have all known it for over 2 years that it is a genocide in Gaza
Israeli human rights group B'Tselem has finally admitted what everyone else outside Israel has known for two years is that the Israeli state is carrying out a genocide in Gaza

Western governments like the USA are complicit in it as they have been supplying the huge bombs and missiles used by Israel and dropped on innocent civilians in Gaza. One phone call from the USA regime could have ended it at any point. However many other countries are complicity with their tacit approval and neighboring Arab countries have been pretty spinless too in their support

With the release of this report titled: Our Genocide -there is a good chance this will make it okay for more people within Israel itself to speak out and do something about it despite the fact that many there are actually in support of the Gaza

offsite link China?s CITY WIDE CASH SEIZURES Begin ? ATMs Frozen, Digital Yuan FORCED Overnight Wed Jul 30, 2025 21:40 | 1 of indy
This story is unverified but it is very instructive of what will happen when cash is removed
THIS STORY IS UNVERIFIED BUT PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO OR READ THE TRANSCRIPT AS IT GIVES AN VERY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT A CASHLESS SOCIETY WILL LOOK LIKE. And it ain't pretty

A single video report has come out of China claiming China's biggest cities are now cashless, not by choice, but by force. The report goes on to claim ATMs have gone dark, vaults are being emptied. And overnight (July 20 into 21), the digital yuan is the only currency allowed.

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Interested in maladministration. Estd. 2005

offsite link RTEs Sarah McInerney ? Fianna Fail?supporter? Anthony

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offsite link RTE in breach of its own editorial principles Anthony

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Human Rights in Ireland
Indymedia Ireland is a volunteer-run non-commercial open publishing website for local and international news, opinion & analysis, press releases and events. Its main objective is to enable the public to participate in reporting and analysis of the news and other important events and aspects of our daily lives and thereby give a voice to people.

offsite link Top Scientists Confirm Covid Shots Cause Heart Attacks in Children Sun Oct 05, 2025 20:31 | imc

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offsite link Deliberate Design Flaw In ChatGPT-5 Sun Aug 17, 2025 08:04 | Mind Agent

offsite link AI Reach: Gemini Reasoning Question of God Sat Aug 02, 2025 20:00 | Mind Agent

offsite link Israeli Human Rights Group B'Tselem finally Admits It is Genocide releasing Our Genocide report Fri Aug 01, 2025 23:54 | 1 of indy

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offsite link Starmer?s Grooming Gangs Inquiry in Crisis as Chairman Candidate Quits Tue Oct 21, 2025 14:46 | Will Jones
Keir Starmer's?grooming gangs?inquiry has been plunged into fresh turmoil after one of the candidates to lead it withdrew from the process, a day after two gang victims quit the liaison panel amid worries of a cover-up.
The post Starmer’s Grooming Gangs Inquiry in Crisis as Chairman Candidate Quits appeared first on The Daily Sceptic.

offsite link Oxford Union President-Elect Ousted After Celebrating Charlie Kirk?s Shooting Tue Oct 21, 2025 10:50 | Will Jones
George Abaraonye, the?President-Elect of the Oxford Union,?has been ousted following outrage over his celebration of Charlie Kirk's shooting after 70% of members voted to remove him.
The post Oxford Union President-Elect Ousted After Celebrating Charlie Kirk’s Shooting appeared first on The Daily Sceptic.

offsite link Why is Starmer So Determined That Israeli Football Fans Descend on an Area That?s Now 70% Muslim? Tue Oct 21, 2025 09:00 | Laurie Wastell
Starmer is perversely determined that Israeli football fans will attend their team's match in Birmingham, even though the area is now 70% Muslim and mini-Israel-Gaza violence is a serious danger, says Laurie Wastell.
The post Why is Starmer So Determined That Israeli Football Fans Descend on an Area That’s Now 70% Muslim? appeared first on The Daily Sceptic.

offsite link Windless Week Leaves Britain Totally Dependent on Imported Electricity Tue Oct 21, 2025 07:00 | Paul Homewood
A windless week exposes that the UK is now totally dependent on importing electricity at times of stress. This is hardly the 'energy security' that Ed Miliband continually warbles on about, says Paul Homewood.
The post Windless Week Leaves Britain Totally Dependent on Imported Electricity appeared first on The Daily Sceptic.

offsite link News Round-Up Tue Oct 21, 2025 01:23 | Richard Eldred
A summary of the most interesting stories in the past 24 hours that challenge the prevailing orthodoxy about the ?climate emergency?, public health ?crises? and the supposed moral defects of Western civilisation.
The post News Round-Up appeared first on The Daily Sceptic.

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The official decision on Lisbon should enter into legal force

category national | eu | opinion/analysis author Thursday July 03, 2008 14:01author by Howard Holby Report this post to the editors

So far Ireland has been the only one of the 27 EU-states to demonstrate an independent court decision in favour of democracy and the rule of law [1, 2]. In the new situation brought about by the EU-leaders’ rejection of Ireland’s decision [3, 4, 5], Ireland is again tested as the last fortress of democracy within the EU. This test is on whether the official decision on Lisbon arrived at on June 12, 2008 would enter into force, or the constitutional foundations of Ireland, similarly to the other 26 states, would be bent or circumvented to serve the interests of foreign political forces [2]?

The questions and the proposition of this article are meant to provide a starting point for further legal considerations, building on the assumption that an independent court still exists to protect the constitution, the rule of law and democracy in Ireland.

Initial questions:

1) When responding to the EU’s recent offence against Ireland denying the legal force of the June 12 referendum, why do we think only in terms of ‘respecting a referendum’, when the fundamental issue is legal/constitutional and the key concept is the decision of Ireland , irrespective of the method by which the decision has been made?

2) In legal terms the main question is this: has the Irish Government submitted the official decision of Ireland on Lisbon to the EU or not?

3) From the answer to the above several other questions follow: if not, why not, and how could such decision be reversed by the Irish constitutional law?

Regarding the plan on “a second referendum on Lisbon” [5, 6, 7, 8, 9] two main points can be considered:

A. The constitutional demand that the Irish Government would acknowledge the official result of the referendum of 12 June and accordingly would submit the official rejection of Lisbon by Ireland to the EU .

B. Once the official rejection of Lisbon would be submitted to the EU with the claim that the rest of the EU would withdraw from further ratifications, and this legal obligation is still denied by the EU, the issue should be brought to international court.

With regard to point A:

1) What needs to be examined in the first place: if it is contradiction with the Irish constitution to abandon the result of the June 12 referendum and hold a second referendum in lieu of the first? A second referendum would be based on the false assumption that a) the answer of the electorate obtained on June 12 was not to be acknowledged as the official decision of Ireland b) the result of the June 12 referendum is not valid. Since neither of a) or b) is true, to disregard a valid and official result of a referendum would imply forcing the voters to acknowledge such right of the Government and would establish a precedence of organising referendums without assuming that the referendum outcome would enter into legal force.

2) If the Government is planning to impose the question of the Lisbon ratification on a modified treaty and/or in a context different from the first referendum-question, another key question could be raised: if it is constitutional to use a second referendum as an instrument to manipulate the electorate and subvert their decision obtained via a recent referendum? This would imply that the voters should acknowledge the right of the Government not only to arbitrarily disregard the result of any former referendum but also to arbitrarily fabricate a new context within which the voters are forced to alter their disregarded decision.

3) Further to the above point, if the second referendum on a ‘renegotiated’/modified Lisbon Treaty is planned to be held to overwrite the result of the first referendum, the second should include the exact same conditions as the first. The question regarding Lisbon needs to be answered on its own right by ‘yes’ or ‘no’ solely by consideration of the Treaty. The answer to the question of ratification would be fundamentally distorted when not independently asked but in association with other conditions/decisions. Any manipulation of the former plain referendum question would render the authentic answer of the voters subordinate to arbitrary/coercive factors.

4) Since the outcome of the first referendum contained a very serious international implication: the cancellation of the Lisbon Treaty with regard to all of the 27 member states, a second referendum should be held with the association of the same international consequences/conditions, otherwise it cannot be viewed as a substitute of the first.

5) If a second referendum would be held without substantial modification of the treaty, only regarding details that would be secondary and long-term implications of the overall loss of national sovereignty [10], it would leave a second referendum without justification. However, if a second referendum would be held with substantial modification of the treaty, this would raise the question of fair treatment of the other member states and lead us again to the argument that a second referendum with substantially different questions cannot be considered to be the replacement of the first.

Summary and conclusion

On one hand it should be ruled out that the result of a second referendum that in any way would include a question on ratifying the Lisbon Treaty would be recognised in lieu of the first result, because there is no constitutionally justified reason to hold the same referendum on the same questions twice. On the other hand, if the second referendum would include different questions, structured in a different way with different alternatives, the second referendum under no circumstances can be viewed as the replacement of the first.

In either case we encounter a contradiction which can only be resolved if the decision of the June 12 referendum would enter into force, regardless of any further plans of a second referendum.

If the Irish Government has submitted (or once would submit) Ireland’s official rejection of Lisbon as per the June 12 referendum and the EU decides to disregard Ireland’s decision by violating the principle of unanimity [9], the issue is strictly in the realm of international law and as such is a solid basis for a litigation case against the EU and against all the member states ratifying an illegal treaty.

References

[1] MEP Exposes The EU Lisbon Treaty!!!
The speech of Jens-Peter Bonde, a member of the European Parliament from Denmark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kr0Foq3CQE&feature=related

[2] Our future under a ratified Lisbon Treaty
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/87683
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/87712
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/87730

[3] Respect the Irish Vote: Aftershock in European Parliament
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6QmH-7fu68

[4] More questions for the far-wrong side of Lisbon
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/88135

[5] Is there a democratic life after a dead Lisbon Treaty?
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/88033

[6] Ireland under pressure to vote again on treaty
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/20/ireland.eu
“Asked whether Ireland would need to stage a second referendum to resolve the impasse thrown up by last week's rejection, Sarkozy said: "Is it possible without a vote? To ask the question is to answer it."

[7] EU Constitution author says referendums can be ignored http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/220002....html

[8] Cowen gets year to sell 'Lisbon II' in new vote
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/cowen-gets-year....html

[9] Lies, Damned Lies, and a Referendum Re-run
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/88061

[10] Lisbon Treaty: national level competences to be transferred to the EU
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/87923

 #   Title   Author   Date 
   Barrack room lawyers against Lisbon.     Desmond O'Toole    Thu Jul 03, 2008 16:42 
   To Desmond - the points you have missed     Howard Holby    Thu Jul 03, 2008 19:21 
   Another Referendum     Frank    Thu Jul 03, 2008 20:40 
   Frank, Howard Holby and others     Sceptic    Thu Jul 03, 2008 21:47 
   Constitutional Status?     Frank    Thu Jul 03, 2008 22:04 
   Agree with Des O'Toole     Alan Bunbury    Fri Jul 04, 2008 03:44 
   Addition to the above post     Alan Bunbury    Fri Jul 04, 2008 03:50 
   Answer To Alan Bunbury - about mixing law with politics     Howard Holby    Fri Jul 04, 2008 08:43 
   Money speaks louder than constitutional law     Doubtful    Fri Jul 04, 2008 08:49 
 10   Reply to Frank & Possible questions to the Supreme Court     Howard Holby    Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:21 
 11   To Doubtful - I am sure you are right     Howard Holby    Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:34 
 12   To Howard Holby (reference post at Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:34 above)     Doubtful    Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:16 
 13   To Doubtful - another idea for challenging the Government     Howard Holby    Fri Jul 04, 2008 14:05 
 14   hurlers on the ditch     Sceptic    Fri Jul 04, 2008 20:22 
 15   Will Of The People     Frank    Fri Jul 04, 2008 20:30 
 16   And more     cropbeye    Fri Jul 04, 2008 23:11 
 17   Lisbon and the UK     paul o toole    Sat Jul 05, 2008 14:48 
 18   A response to Howard ...     Desmond O'Toole    Sun Jul 06, 2008 17:46 
 19   What validity does a referendum have     paul o toole    Sun Jul 06, 2008 18:04 
 20   Response to Paul O'Toole ...     Desmond O'Toole    Mon Jul 07, 2008 01:08 
 21   response to Desmond otoole     paul o toole    Mon Jul 07, 2008 09:49 
 22   Unconstitutional?     Frank    Mon Jul 07, 2008 20:01 
 23   Response to Frank ...     Desmond O'Toole    Tue Jul 08, 2008 20:15 
 24   Accepting The Vote     Frank    Wed Jul 09, 2008 15:46 
 25   Further response to Frank ...     Desmond O'Toole    Thu Jul 10, 2008 00:35 
 26   Observations     Frank    Thu Jul 10, 2008 13:31 
 27   Further response to Frank ...     Desmond O'Toole    Thu Jul 10, 2008 17:01 
 28   Re Desmond O'Toole     Frank    Thu Jul 10, 2008 21:32 


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