Report on IPSC Discussion Evening on Israeli leftwing and peace activists

by Sean Og Tue Oct 20, 2009 23:19

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/20/isr...za-un

From the Guardian about the Human Rights Farce D. Landy is so keen to discuss

by David L Mon Oct 19, 2009 09:58

Trying to understand Sean Og, but failing. Firstly, why put an article about Goldstone here? Secondly, more importantly, why is he singling out Israel!!! Is anyone seriously denying that Israel killed 1,300 people, most civilians, many kids, while attacking a built-up area earlier this year? Of course there’d be a UN HR report on this. And of course it would condemn the mass slaughter. Seriously, did anyone expect otherwise?

Such reports are regularly produced and (unfortunately) even more regularly ignored. But would there be any other country where the report, the countries voting for the report, the character of the person who wrote the report (a Jewish Zionist ironically) would be attacked so manically? All these people singling out Israel. All so that the essential information – Israel committed mass slaughter and will do so again if it isn’t stopped – can be ignored.

Anyway, I’ll stop feeding the trolls. I guess though I’ll advise Sean Og to take his own advice and take up a new hobby. There must be many other states slaughtering people who would love his services. Myself though, I’ll stick to defending human rights in Israel/Palestine.

by Sean Og Mon Oct 19, 2009 09:35

Sorry -- Just noticed the figures in David Landys comment

where he mentions 5 countries as exemplars of HR and democracy

but what about the other 20 who pontificated and voted - most run by despots

or dictators who murder their opponents ?

And has he read Goldtsone's latest retraction ?

by David L Mon Oct 19, 2009 09:07

Amused by the 'not one stable country' comment . Partly because it was completely unrelated and was just random Zionist trolling. Partly because of the code - what the author really meant was not one 'white' country. Countries like India, South Africa, Argentina, Ghana, and Brazil voting for the report clearly don't count.

by David L - IPSC (pers cap) Mon Oct 19, 2009 09:06

Where do you start with the oppression against Palestinians living in Israel? With Susan Nathan's book 'The Other Side of Israel' which documents in journalistic style the everyday oppressions of Palestinians. Maybe with Jonathan Cook's reports? www.jkcook.net/ Or with the grim litany of articles outlining a history of oppression that you can read in the PIWP database on Palestinian citizens of Israel: http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/db.php?tid=14 . If you wanted to find out, you really could.

Read at least some of this stuff Eamonn, and then get back to us.

And yes, Palestinian Israeli parties have been banned. Any party that is seen to oppose the Jewish nature of the State of Israel, by say, calling for a state of all its citizens is considered to be illegal. And yes, Palestinian Israeli parliamentarians have been stopped from taking their seats. One, Azmi Bishara, the head of the major Palestinian Israeli party, was accused of treason, and to avoid being banged up in jail had to flee the country. Israel is undoubtedly a democracy for those of the right ethnic background, just like South Africa was. For the majority of people under its control, whether in the Occupied Territories or Israel itself, it's just another apartheid country.

by Eamonn a' Chnoic Mon Oct 19, 2009 00:34

Maybe Mr. Squires can tell us a bit more about the 'severe repression' faced by the parties representing the 1.2 million Arab citizens of Israel. Have they been disenfranchised, or had their Knesset seats taken away? Have they been jailed without trial, or thrown off the roofs of tall buildings with hands tied behind backs? Just curious about what constitutes represssion, in particular given what happened next door among Palestinians a couple of years ago...

And does the fact that a state is democratic prohibit it from taking any reasonable action whatsoever to curb the activities of groups who try to undermine its existence by unconstitutional means?

by Sean Og Sat Oct 17, 2009 23:39

LOOK AT THE BEACONS OF DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN RIGHTS -what a shower

Not one stable country amongst the lot that voted against Israel

and these are the IPSC s friends ? Real left wing libertarians will shudder

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In a special session Friday, 25 of the Human Rights Council's members voted in favor of the resolution that chastised Israel for failing to cooperate with the UN mission led by Goldstone. Another six voted against and 11 abstained.

The countries that voted against the report included the
U.S., Italy, Holland, Hungary, Slovakia and Ukraine.

WHILE
China, Russia, Egypt, India, Jordan, Pakistan, South Africa, Argentina,

Bahrain,
Bangladesh, Bolivia, Ghana, Indonesia, Djibouti, Liberia, Qatar, Senegal, Brazil,

Mauritius, Nicaragua and Nigeria voted in favor of the report.

The abstaining countries included
Bosnia, Burkina-Faso, Cameron, Gabon, Japan, Mexico, Norway, Belgium, South Korea, Slovenia and Uruguay.

Madagascar and Kyrgyzstan were not present during the vote.

"This resolution goes far beyond even the initial scope of the Goldstone report into a discussion of elements that should be resolved in the context of permanent status negotiations between the Palestinians and the Israelis," U.S. envoy to the UN Douglas Griffiths said, when explaining why his country was voting against the document.