Irish Government Contradictions Over "Fake" Passports in Mossad Assassination

by paul o toole Fri Feb 19, 2010 17:06

Ireland is a cesspit for corruption, aiding and abetting warcrimes and genocide.
Haughey got passports for Saudis who put up money to purchase them and defended his actions on the grounds that they were stabling their horses in Kildare. The Irish Independent reported that the new 'Blasphemey law was passed to appease Shia Muslems-rich ones, willing to invest in the IFSC...Not the poor ones we help the US and UK kill in Iraq cos 'we' dont like the way they treat their women or WMD or whatever...

This latest fiasco will mount to nothing...Our government put us in debt, they close hospitals for fee paying ones, they help warring nations, they bail out their friends in the banks-not the banks-, they charge us to travel on our own roads built by us, they charge us for water soon, ...they gave away 560 billion of OUR gas, they pay themselves extortionate wages not to mention their expenses. They set up land deals which lead to the bubble and laugh at us from their Ivory towers...

Passports for assasins to kill amas leaders is nothing...really, this is their stock and trade.

by HughBris Fri Feb 19, 2010 18:31

The Irish Independent reported that the new 'Blasphemey law was passed to appease Shia Muslems-rich ones, willing to invest in the IFSC

by Fred Johnston Fri Feb 19, 2010 18:42

The passports were the real deal, the identities on them, including the photos, were faked. See Robert Fisk on this. It raises the question in our case, as he points out, of how REAL Irish passports were taken out of Ireland to Israel. This is what our police or security services might concentrate upon. Clearly Israel using the Irish passports shows how much they respect our sovereignty. Since the passports were used in the commission of a murder, the Israeli ambassador here has some very serious questions to ask - if he won't answer them, he should be expelled, as the Israeli action has placed every Irish person abroad at risk.

by iosaf Fri Feb 19, 2010 20:18

I pointed out in the comment which showed the passport photos offered by the Dubai police on the thread on this subject that the photos are flawed & the poses did not fit the standard guidelines & unless accompanied by native English speaker accents would immediately have raised eyebrows.
That even leaves aside the fact that the names on the 3 Irish passports though indeed appearing in the Irish phone directory are not as common on the island or even in Britain as they are in the USA.
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/95750

Also might I add that thought we know that Sir Peter Ricketts spoke to the Israeli ambassador and heard comments from the minister for Foreign Affairs and even Gordon Brown - and as I explained on the other thread Ricketts is a key member and former chairman of the joint intelligence committee, we do not know who represents the Irish state in this affair.

I have written many times that Ireland is unique in the EU that it has not a named and accountable head of intelligence services who may be summoned by either the Oireachtas or even closed committee of the Oireachtas to offer at least a little bit of transparency on issues which affect both domestic & international security and colaboration. .

by Jemser Sat Feb 20, 2010 00:18

It's easy enough for an israeli agent to find a name, buy a birth cert, pay some bills in that name, apply thru an post, get your form and photo stamped at a busy garda station.

Last year 36,264 Irish passports were reported missing. Why did those 300+ Pakistanis marry those Latvian girls in Ireland last year, and not Latvia? You're catchin' on now.

It used to be tatie hokin', but we have other cottage industries these days. Isn't a bit of education a great thing, all the same?

by iosaf Sat Feb 20, 2010 01:59

Now without going all didactic on the brethren and sorority across two threads, I'd just like to get even simpler than my previous comments.

this was not a utterly seamless hit of the legendary mossad quality of sneakiness : thus we might wonder is mossad split or is a current faction in the Israeli apartheid state government encouraging sloppy out-sourcing. Neither faked Irish/british passports or Hamas assassinations are really so newsworthy, are they? & to be frank.:. you don't need 17 people to slip into a 5star hotel room and extinguish the life out of a man with a pillow especially when his bodyguards aren't around .

there' i've said it.

anyway the Daily Mail :-
Did Britain know about Mossad hit? Israeli agent claims MI6 was tipped off
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-12520....html
& coz this story has all the usual elements that sell the Daily mail here are but a few of the many articles they've been churning out :- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1252371/The-QC-....html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1251826/Mac--Th....html

as bounced in Spanish by a more reputable newspaper :-
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacional/agente/Mos...6/Tes

a document which is harder to fake convincingly than a ticket to a 100 quid gig or football final game.

by Sniiffin' Around. Sat Feb 20, 2010 13:18

That a bunch of blank passports were 'stolen' from one of our embassies in Europe, and that it is probably some of those that were used by Oliver North and Co during Iran-Contra ops.

Irish passports would be valued for things like this cos of our supposed 'neutral' status. I bet that Mossad, CIA, MI6 etc have a stock of blank Irish passports for occassions like this.
And it's not like they'd have trouble getting names and numbers. Anyone flying to the US has all their details taken and shared with the security services.

by Citizen X Sun Feb 21, 2010 13:09

From Joseph Fitznakis. intelNews.org:

"...there is some conflicting information about the travel documents (as there is about the assassination method, the use of credit cards, cell phones, etc, by the assassins). But let me state the obvious point that, if the passports were forged from scratch –i.e. not actually issued by British, Irish, French, etc, passport authorities– there would have been no reason to apply for them using actual names of actual British, Irish, French, etc, citizens. There is also the issue of the RFID chips on the passports (an issue that escapes the debate so far), which appeared to be perfectly functional. [JF]"

by Citizen X Mon Feb 22, 2010 01:10

... And if so - what is the Irish government doing to clear their names (or numbers)? What is the Irish government doing to protect Irish citizens from identity theft by clandestine organisations in Israel?

Dubai Assassination Was Work of Mossad and Likely Sanctioned by Prime Minister Says Former Intel Officer
Wired: Threat Level

"Victor Ostrovsky, who wrote a controversial book about his four years with the Mossad in the 1980s, says that many of the details in the surveillance video of an alleged 11-person assassination team indicate that the operation was likely rushed, and that the use of aliases belonging to Israeli citizens is a common tactic of the Mossad, though generally not for assassination plots."
"The video and assassination have sparked extensive debate in the media, inside and outside Israel, over, among other things, the alleged assassin team’s use of forged passports from the United Kingdom, Ireland, France and Germany. At least seven of the passports used the names of residents in Israel who hold dual citizenship in other countries and who say they were not part of the operation. They are now concerned that they could be targeted for revenge by Hamas or others. Another three aliases are similar to the names of Israeli citizens, but they have different middle names."

"“When you come to live in Israel and you’re a dual citizen, a lot of times you’re asked for the use of your passport,” he said. “In the 90s they used to ask. Especially if you’re in the military and you’re an officer and you have dual citizenship.”
But then, he says, there came a time when people began to say no “and they started to do that without asking [permission].”"

by Jacqueline Fallon Mon Feb 22, 2010 19:38

The Israeli Ambassador should be expelled from Ireland and never let back in, as his country has committed a crime against Ireland and its citizens. If it was the other way around and Ireland used the real passport numbers of Israeli citizens to commit murder in another country - without a doubt, the Irish Ambassador to Israeli would be expelled from Israel.

Also, it is well documented that the British intelligence services knew about the criminal misuse of Irish and British passports in advance of the murder - so, I would strongly recommend the British Ambassador be expelled from Ireland too!

Perhaps, when Mr Brown has stopped bullying his staff, maybe he could address the issue, and offer an explanation to Irish citizens, as to why he thought it was alright for his security forces to okay the fraudulent misuse of Irish and British citizens passports to assist Israel in commiting a murder in Dubai.

by Fred Johnston Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:00

Certainly it would be a just move to expel, however temporarily, the Israeli ambassador until such times as this 'see-no-evil, hear-no-evil' rubbish is finally set aside in favour of decency and acknowledging that great hurt has been done to Ireland; that we feel abused by Israel, whose supporters are so eager to take to the Letters of newspaper columns and describe critics of her policies against the Palestinians as anti-Semitic.

Arrogance and hubris caused Mossad to bungle one of their usual murders so that the whole plot more or less unfolded in front of the eyes of the world on CCTV. Irish passport holders, real ones, have been put at risk by Israel's total disregard for the citizens of other countries.

Yet all last week in the Letters columns of The Irish Independent I was harangued by an Irish-Israeli for my remarking on the double-standard of Israel helping Haiti while endeavouring to wipe out the people of Gaza.

If there is a diplomatic sanction that can be invoked by the Irish government, they should not hesitate.

by HughBris Tue Feb 23, 2010 21:40

Any 'outrage' emanating from the current Irish Gov't will be fake outrage:

Gail Folliard, Evan Dennings and Kevin Daveron, who appear to be Irish passport holders, were named as Dubai assassins.

According to The Irish Times, on 23 February 2010, Kevin Daveron gave as his home address a property in Dublin, owned by the brother of former Irish prime minister Albert Reynolds. (Dubai death suspect used Dublin 4 address: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0223...ia=mr)

rest of the money 'fell off the plane and drifted to the Cayman Islands or the Bahamas'".

The Irish Times has obtained a copy of an invoice issued by Dubai's Jumeirah Emirates Towers hotel to a Mr Kevin Daveron.

The invoice gives his address as 6 Elgin Road, in Ballsbridge in Dublin.

This property has been owned by James Reynolds since the 1960s.

The property is close to the diplomatic missions of the US and Israel.

The Irish passports reportedly used in the Dubai operation contain numbers that correspond with those of legitimate Irish passport

Makes me wonder if the murderers sent to Ireland kill the Palestinians from Bethlehem afew years ago might have used No 6 Eglin rd as a base to operate from?

by Me Tue Feb 23, 2010 22:20

BBC blasted for ‘bigoted fear-mongering’:http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=169316

Haviv Rettig Gur, JPost, Feb 22 2010

The New York-based American Jewish Committee blasted the BBC on Sunday for airing an accusation that Jews around the world assist in supposed Mossad assassinations. BBC Radio 4’s PM program interviewed Gordon Thomas, author of Gideon’s Spies, a book about the Mossad, about the Jan 20 assassination of Hamas military commander Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in Dubai. Local authorities and many international media outlets believe that the killing of Mabhouh was carried out by the Mossad. In explaining the Mossad’s operating methods outside Israel, Thomas told PM host Eddie Mair:

They have a whole backup system called ‘asylum.’ These are people, local residents, Jewish people, who help the Mossad. It is estimated to be in the world about half a million; some people say a million; I tend to say it’s about half a million, all of them Mossad people.

The AJC said in a statement that it was dismayed that a guest on BBC Radio 4 was allowed to state unchallenged that the Mossad relies on Jews for assassination plots. AJC executive director David Harris said:

This baseless accusation crosses every red line between legitimate public discussion and bigoted fear-mongering. In less than a minute, the BBC has cast a shadow on the lives of Jews worldwide. Of course, Thomas is irresponsible in making such unfounded assertions on a radio program heard around the world, but even more shocking is BBC, a premier public broadcaster with a far-reaching global network. How can the interviewer allow such aspersions to be cast on a community without the reporter calling the so-called expert to order? The BBC needs to examine this disgraceful transmission, apologize to Jews around the world and remove from its archive the slanderous words.

The comments also drew condemnation from observers of the BBC. Tom Gross, a former Middle East correspondent for the Sunday Telegraph, said:

Unfortunately, such ugly and nonsensical statements on the BBC come as no surprise. The BBC often handpicks interviewees who are likely to say such things as part of a wider pattern to demonize the State of Israel.

Reached for comment, the BBC press office in London said:

This interview was part of a wider piece about the assassination of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh which involved contributions from a number of people including Gordon Thomas, an author of a book about Mossad. The sentiments expressed by Gordon Thomas were clearly his own opinions. They came at the end of the interview when it was being wrapped up and there was no time to come back on them.

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Mossad: a deadly vengeance : http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/mos....html

Gordon Thomas, Independent, Feb 23 2010
Gordon Thomas reveals the inside story of the Israeli secret service’s most daring hit.

In just 60 years, Israel's secret service has become a byword for ruthlessness and audacity. As the storm surrounding its Dubai operation intensifies, Gordon Thomas, author of the definitive history of Mossad, reveals the inside story of its most daring hit

by Sean Og Tue Feb 23, 2010 23:06

Dubai claims Hamas collaborator involved

ACCUSATION:SHARP DIFFERENCES over the murder of a leading Hamas figure
have emerged between the Dubai police and the Palestinian movement.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2010/0223/122....html

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Comments:
Report by Jansen, an anti-Israeli US-born woman who is a convert to Islam, and married to one from Lebanon - relevant background which is never revealed in the Irish Times.

by dagenham Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:29

Australia has summoned the Israeli ambassador to explain why three new suspects over the Dubai killing of a Hamas leader used Australian passports.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said Canberra would "not be silent on the matter".

Mr Rudd said Canberra would retaliate against any country found to be involved in forging its passports.
He said that Australia would first try to establish the facts, but that this was not "a minor matter".

Mr Mabhouh died in his hotel room in Dubai last month
"It is not something you just push to one side. It is of the deepest concern," he added.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8535728.stm

The web of intrigue surrounding the death of a senior Hamas official became more tangled today after Dubai police identified a further 15 members of an alleged Mossad squad who carried out the assassination, including another six who used apparently fake British passports.

The announcement brings to 26 the total number of people, six of them women, suspected of involvement in Mahmoud al-Mabhouh's assassination, which is widely believed to have been the work of Israel's secret service, the Mossad. Israel has flatly refused to comment.

The six new British names are Mark Daniel Sklar, Roy Allan Cannon, Daniel Marc Schnur, Philip Carr, Stephen Keith Drake and Gabriella Barney. A Foreign Office spokesman said the government believed their passport details had been used fraudulently. A total of 12 British passport holders have now been named.

Sklar's mother said: "He was very shocked. It's a bit worrying."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/24/mossad-hama...ports