Stop the Immigration, Residence and Protection Bill 2010

by Tim Johnston Mon Nov 22, 2010 20:26

I don't see the irony.

I don't get the johnson joke and my name is not johnson.

You still haven't backed up any of your hysterical claims.

by thimmeh Fri Nov 19, 2010 08:17

A selection of quotes from Tim:
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"Typical ignorant response. Instead of making any attempt to back anything up, just launch rabidly insane abuse at the one who asks simple questions."

"I suspect that's part of your overall problem, if you see people in terms of "types", not as individuals. If your worldview is based in caricatures - which, I gather, yours is - then shrieking accusations at people you know little about must be second nature. All people who don't hold the party line are evil right-wingers, in true Stalinist fashion?"

"..shrieking accusations at people you know little about "

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"Irish citizens currently have huge difficulty getting citizenship for their wives (including my own and several people I know)."

"So-called "family reunification" has been a disaster where it exists."

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Ironic!

I've kept it to this one thread and left out all the pro zionist "shrieking" out of love and forgiveness for all humanity. Even the "johnsons" among us!

by Tim Johnston Mon Nov 15, 2010 23:35

I suspect that's part of your overall problem, if you see people in terms of "types", not as individuals. If your worldview is based in caricatures - which, I gather, yours is - then shrieking accusations at people you know little about must be second nature. All people who don't hold the party line are evil right-wingers, in true Stalinist fashion?
So, then, having got that out of the way, what "anti-immigrant stance" are you referring to?
The stance of questioning the OP's demands and asking for clarification?

by HasbaraJohnson Mon Nov 15, 2010 21:07

you are kinda ignorant and rabid yourself Tim. What with your regular support for Israeli and british murderers and your anti immigrant stance whilst blithely ignoring the real problem children of the current crisis. I know your type, you aren't fooling anyone

by Tim Johnston Mon Nov 15, 2010 20:34

Thankyou for the explanation. So what is the new law trying to correct? As I understand (and experience) it, Irish citizens currently have huge difficulty getting citizenship for their wives (including my own and several people I know). How could this conceivably be made any more difficult?

by francesco Mon Nov 15, 2010 20:20

While it is completely wrong to blame Ireland's present problems on immigration, it is nevertheless correct to say that immigration, if perceived to be abusive or unlawful, is particularly unhelpful at a time when our society is under stress from the nefrarious activities of delinquent bankers, incompetent politicians, and compliant regulators.

Family-reunification exists in Ireland on similar terms to that applying elsewhere in the liberal democracies (the only nations on earth which observe the rule of law, in any case). It applies in a discretionary manner to successful asylum seekers (refugees). It certainly doesn't apply anywhere to illegal immigrants who may have been given residency under some administrative immigration-amnesty (such as certain mothers with Irish born children post the citizenship referendum). Of course, EU nationals - including third country refugees legally recognized as such by any EU member-state, have a legal right to be joined by spouses and under-age children and to reside anywhere within the EU. Otherwise, under international law, there is a right of family reunification only in a country where all the relevant family members have a legal right to reside. This rule applies equally to Irish people and to foreign nationals.

by Tim Johnston Mon Nov 15, 2010 19:56

Typical ignorant response. Instead of making any attempt to back anything up, just launch rabidly insane abuse at the one who asks simple questions.

Who said immigrants are causing the problems? Can't Ireland have more than one problem at a time??!!

by WeaselWords Mon Nov 15, 2010 18:28

our problems are not caused by a few immigrants despite what those in power would like us to focus on. They are caused by white collar crime and corruption. Bank bailouts are a form of welfare. Corporate welfare. The bill for that dwarfs any meagre handouts given to a few immigrants. Corporate welfare is what needs to be cut not social welfare.

Tim, you are just trying to get people to fight among themselves and blame immigrants for their problems whilst letting the real bastards get away scott free. Typical neo con weasel tactic. How do folks like you sleep at night. Probably very soundly no doubt as sociopaths generally do.

by Tim Johnston Mon Nov 15, 2010 17:26

don't know about the US, but in Canada and the UK and even Denmark, the policy of family reunification is open to all sorts of abuse, and it takes the decision on new immigrants out of the hands of the authorities and gives it to recent immigrants, which means that being 'related' to someone living in Ireland is the primary criteria for being granted status.

by Dan Daly Sun Nov 14, 2010 17:38

Tim Johnston says "So-called "family reunification" has been a disaster where it exists."-

What countries are you talking about? Certainly not the U.S.

by Tim Johnston Sun Nov 14, 2010 16:30

• The Gardai should not be enabled to harass people on the base of their ‘racial profile’
They're not.

• Irish citizens should benefit from the EU Free Movement Directive (2004/38EC) and have the right to be joined by non-Irish family members in Ireland

why? why should non-Irish people be given a statutory right to live in Ireland, taking the decision away from the relevant authorities. So-called "family reunification" has been a disaster where it exists.

• Long term residency in Ireland should be guaranteed to every student.

Again, why?

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:59

I agree.And I cant wait for the Cherokee nation to rise and do their national service by evicting the paleface forked-tongued invaders.
Also glad to know at least one yank is able to understand the reason Iraqi and Afghani people consider their resistance to armed invasion is legitimate. No doubt you are suitably outraged by the Zionist migrations into Palestine on the basis of title deeds manufactured from distortions of a book of folk-tales.
Me?I'm with the globalisation idea, captain, but not as corporate america knows it. I'm a terrestrian.Anything less is sub-human simian tribalism.

Oh, and could we have our airport back. Dont want to be aiding and abetting any illegal military asylum seekers.
Or do you want that facility open in case you need to spring a rescue operation like you(though possibly not personally) regularly do in your 'back-yard' of Latin America?
Is it not handy the way capital, corporations, and wealth in the wallet penetrate all borders at will, but the human populations have to keep to their pre-designated bantustans unless they have been nourished and educated by their local taxpayers until they are productive labour units we can eject at the first downturn?
We dont need national solidarity, we need global human solidarity. I know, its a bummer, and takes longer to crack, but we may as well tackle the real problem as some artificial target raised by the common (and opportunistically racist)enemy.

by Classwar Thu Nov 11, 2010 03:54

A strong sense of community and identity is what often helps people stand together and resist when unfair conditions and measures are imposed on a population. It helps them resist multi nationals coming in to exploit the environment and workers in an area etc.

IBEC were squealing at the top of their voices for us to open the gates for immigrants. (no sign of them now to pay for / help with the resulting fallout)

There are several agendas at work here:

They want to break down the sense of identity and community and change it into something looser and more confused and dilute our strong historical identity and culture . (Divide and conquer)

They want to help weaken potential opposition to polluting projects / enterprises, lucrative infrastructure projects etc.

They want us divided and fighting with immigrants and among ourselves for jobs and not to see our real class enemies. Tribal instincts can be harnessed and they know this

Lets not fall into their trap. We must make a conscious decision to treat those who are here now as full blown Irishmen and our class brothers and sisters and stand together with them.

Perhaps we should close down our boarders to prevent further new inward immigration. Our economy can't really support further inward immigration.
(although compared to bank bailouts, it's non existent as a drain on the economy contrary to what some media would have you think !!)

But we must show full solidarity to those already here. They are not our enemies. They are victims too.

We are all members of the community now and the real problem is a class struggle between those at the bottom (us) and the capital / political classes
We must stand together as the community of the oppressed poor against our common class enemies who would have us all fighting amongst ourselves.

Let us go out on the streets together, immigrant and indigenous, side by side and fight our class enemies as brothers
We are all united Irishmen no matter what our skin colour or language

Solidarity brothers.

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Wed Nov 10, 2010 13:37

.. if there is TD left out of the crony-consensus they are building you might get him/her/(it?) to table a motion demanding that emigration be banned.

demand Residence and Protection for those on the wuncha bankers eviction lists.