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Collins and the Provos

category national | miscellaneous | opinion/analysis author Wednesday January 05, 2005 04:28author by Peter Quinn - www.irishgaels.com Report this post to the editors

In August 1984 the Dublin Governments Minister for Justice gave the oration at Beal na nBlath at the site where Michael Collins was killed by anti-treaty IRA men. Noonan told the crowd that they should follow Michael Collins as an example (I'm not sure if many of you are into selling out your country, but whatever floats your boat I suppose).

During this speech he was also rebutting the legitimacy of the Provisional IRA however the question has to be asked, whats the difference? Many people claim the 'Old IRA' and the PIRA are completly different and chastise the PIRA at every chance you get and glorify the Old IRA when it suits. It is time for a reality check.

Well lets look at Collins, the perfect example.

When the Black and Tans came to Ireland what did Collins do?
He imported guns from the USA, robbed Irish Banks and Post offices.

How did Collins deal with the RIC?
Quite frankly he was ruthless. He identified that these men were tools of British rule in Ireland and he directed his men against them much like the PIRA targetting of RUC and UDR. Did they have to be on duty for Collins, of course not. They were shot on or off duty coming home from Mass, in front of their families etc etc.

How did Collins deal with the British Military on the streets of Dublin?
By bomb and grenade. Unfortunatly as in some PIRA operations civilians were killed. In one five month period in the Tan War 46 Civilians were killed and 163 wounded by these tactics.

How did Collins deal with informers?
A bullet to the back of the head and a label saying "Spies and informers beware".

How did Collins deal with Agents of British rule in Ireland?
His squad was directed against them en masse and they were riddled. One Sunday morning one agent was shot next to his wife and two children.

How did Collins deal with Media Outlets condemning the IRA?
At the Irish Independent the editor was held at gunpoint and the entire printing machinary was destroyed.

I don't know about everyone else but Mr Noonan actually made a good defense of the Provos in telling people to follow Collins as an example.

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 #   Title   Author   Date 
   Pity     JB Malone    Wed Jan 05, 2005 04:59 
   IRA old or newer versions, same guerilla tactics     seamus    Wed Jan 05, 2005 17:37 
   Peter Quinn     Real freedom    Wed Jan 05, 2005 20:48 
   Question     Curious    Thu Jan 06, 2005 00:13 
   idiot!     rooster    Thu Jan 06, 2005 00:18 
   Explain that one to me Rooster     Barry    Thu Jan 06, 2005 00:22 
   How ?!?!     Peter Quinn    Thu Jan 06, 2005 01:05 
   Rooster SoS     kintama    Thu Jan 06, 2005 01:24 
   peter quinn/barry et al     rooster    Thu Jan 06, 2005 02:25 
 10   Read some history books Peter...     Shane Gallagher    Thu Jan 06, 2005 03:36 
 11   copy copy     Rabbit in the Moon    Thu Jan 06, 2005 04:19 
 12   blueshirts worship collins     Rabbit in the Moon    Thu Jan 06, 2005 04:21 
 13   Collins was simply a collaborator.     Barry    Thu Jan 06, 2005 09:57 
 14   Collins was Simply a Collaborator     South African Friend of Ireland    Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:28 
 15   Collins     pat c    Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:17 
 16   Real freedom and Rooster     Séamus Ó Cadhain    Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:53 
 17   Rosemary Nelson and Pat Finucane, as law-upholding Catholics, were prime targets     rooster    Fri Jan 07, 2005 02:28 
 18   To my S African friend     Barry    Fri Jan 07, 2005 04:14 
 19   Re: Safrican friend     Barry    Fri Jan 07, 2005 04:40 
 20   The Illegal Border     South African Friend of Ireland    Fri Jan 07, 2005 07:04 
 21   Barry     Michael Hennigan    Fri Jan 07, 2005 16:34 
 22   RE ;Michael Hennigan     Barry    Fri Jan 07, 2005 20:01 
 23   security forces?     rooster    Sat Jan 08, 2005 01:18 
 24   Rooster, check out Nuala OL oans report.     Barry    Sat Jan 08, 2005 04:27 
 25   I did read her report     rooster    Sat Jan 08, 2005 04:44 
 26   Roost on it     Séamus Ó Cadhain    Sat Jan 08, 2005 14:44 
 27   Re. Omagh bombing     mr. funny peculiar    Sat Jan 08, 2005 20:57 
 28   Aye.     Barry    Sat Jan 08, 2005 21:01 
 29   foot patrols     rooster    Wed Jan 12, 2005 13:34 
 30   You are an idiot     Barry    Wed Jan 12, 2005 13:52 
 31   You are an Idiot     South African Friend of Ireland    Wed Jan 12, 2005 14:29 
 32   Perjury     Desperate Dan    Wed Jan 12, 2005 16:15 
 33   re : Desperate Dan, about the desperate branch men.     Barry    Wed Jan 12, 2005 16:42 
 34   Yep     D Dan    Wed Jan 12, 2005 18:34 
 35   Special criminal court     Barry    Wed Jan 12, 2005 23:17 
 36   Quite right Barry,     Devil Dog    Wed Jan 12, 2005 23:30 
 37   Or Garda Special branch either.     Barry    Wed Jan 12, 2005 23:41 
 38   Nothing new     Virtual    Thu Jan 13, 2005 00:40 
 39   Well well who would have thought it .....     mr. funny peculiar    Fri Jan 21, 2005 21:15 
 40   Different times, different tactics     Matty    Thu Feb 03, 2005 17:54 
 41   Re; Matty and the Good 'old' IRA     One-Eye    Thu Feb 03, 2005 18:25 
 42   Rosemary Nelson and Pat Finucane, as law-upholding Catholics, were prime targets     One-Eye    Thu Feb 03, 2005 18:37 
 43   Roosters twisted logic     One-Eye    Thu Feb 03, 2005 18:43 
 44   'Nazi' McDowells Hypocrisy     Sligo Republican Socialist    Thu Feb 03, 2005 20:09 


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