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Wednesday January 05, 2005 04:28

by Peter Quinn - www.irishgaels.com

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In August 1984 the Dublin Governments Minister for Justice gave the oration at Beal na nBlath at the site where Michael Collins was killed by anti-treaty IRA men. Noonan told the crowd that they should follow Michael Collins as an example (I'm not sure if many of you are into selling out your country, but whatever floats your boat I suppose).

During this speech he was also rebutting the legitimacy of the Provisional IRA however the question has to be asked, whats the difference? Many people claim the 'Old IRA' and the PIRA are completly different and chastise the PIRA at every chance you get and glorify the Old IRA when it suits. It is time for a reality check.

Well lets look at Collins, the perfect example.

When the Black and Tans came to Ireland what did Collins do?
He imported guns from the USA, robbed Irish Banks and Post offices.

How did Collins deal with the RIC?
Quite frankly he was ruthless. He identified that these men were tools of British rule in Ireland and he directed his men against them much like the PIRA targetting of RUC and UDR. Did they have to be on duty for Collins, of course not. They were shot on or off duty coming home from Mass, in front of their families etc etc.

How did Collins deal with the British Military on the streets of Dublin?
By bomb and grenade. Unfortunatly as in some PIRA operations civilians were killed. In one five month period in the Tan War 46 Civilians were killed and 163 wounded by these tactics.

How did Collins deal with informers?
A bullet to the back of the head and a label saying "Spies and informers beware".

How did Collins deal with Agents of British rule in Ireland?
His squad was directed against them en masse and they were riddled. One Sunday morning one agent was shot next to his wife and two children.

How did Collins deal with Media Outlets condemning the IRA?
At the Irish Independent the editor was held at gunpoint and the entire printing machinary was destroyed.

I don't know about everyone else but Mr Noonan actually made a good defense of the Provos in telling people to follow Collins as an example.

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Comments (44 of 44)

#	Title	Author	Date
1	Pity	JB Malone	Wed Jan 05, 2005 04:59
2	IRA old or newer versions, same guerilla tactics	seamus	Wed Jan 05, 2005 17:37
3	Peter Quinn	Real freedom	Wed Jan 05, 2005 20:48
4	Question	Curious	Thu Jan 06, 2005 00:13
5	idiot!	rooster	Thu Jan 06, 2005 00:18
6	Explain that one to me Rooster	Barry	Thu Jan 06, 2005 00:22
7	How ?!?!	Peter Quinn	Thu Jan 06, 2005 01:05
8	Rooster SoS	kintama	Thu Jan 06, 2005 01:24
9	peter quinn/barry et al	rooster	Thu Jan 06, 2005 02:25
10	Read some history books Peter...	Shane Gallagher	Thu Jan 06, 2005 03:36
11	copy copy	Rabbit in the Moon	Thu Jan 06, 2005 04:19
12	blueshirts worship collins	Rabbit in the Moon	Thu Jan 06, 2005 04:21
13	Collins was simply a collaborator.	Barry	Thu Jan 06, 2005 09:57
14	Collins was Simply a Collaborator	South African Friend of Ireland	Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:28
15	Collins	pat c	Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:17
16	Real freedom and Rooster	Séamus Ó Cadhain	Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:53
17	Rosemary Nelson and Pat Finucane, as law-upholding Catholics, were prime targets	rooster	Fri Jan 07, 2005 02:28
18	To my S African friend	Barry	Fri Jan 07, 2005 04:14
19	Re: Safrican friend	Barry	Fri Jan 07, 2005 04:40
20	The Illegal Border	South African Friend of Ireland	Fri Jan 07, 2005 07:04
21	Barry	Michael Hennigan	Fri Jan 07, 2005 16:34
22	RE ;Michael Hennigan	Barry	Fri Jan 07, 2005 20:01
23	security forces?	rooster	Sat Jan 08, 2005 01:18
24	Rooster, check out Nuala OL oans report.	Barry	Sat Jan 08, 2005 04:27
25	I did read her report	rooster	Sat Jan 08, 2005 04:44
26	Roost on it	Séamus Ó Cadhain	Sat Jan 08, 2005 14:44
27	Re. Omagh bombing	mr. funny peculiar	Sat Jan 08, 2005 20:57
28	Aye.	Barry	Sat Jan 08, 2005 21:01
29	foot patrols	rooster	Wed Jan 12, 2005 13:34
30	You are an idiot	Barry	Wed Jan 12, 2005 13:52
31	You are an Idiot	South African Friend of Ireland	Wed Jan 12, 2005 14:29
32	Perjury	Desperate Dan	Wed Jan 12, 2005 16:15
33	re : Desperate Dan, about the desperate branch men.	Barry	Wed Jan 12, 2005 16:42
34	Yep	D Dan	Wed Jan 12, 2005 18:34
35	Special criminal court	Barry	Wed Jan 12, 2005 23:17
36	Quite right Barry,	Devil Dog	Wed Jan 12, 2005 23:30
37	Or Garda Special branch either.	Barry	Wed Jan 12, 2005 23:41
38	Nothing new	Virtual	Thu Jan 13, 2005 00:40
39	Well well who would have thought it .....	mr. funny peculiar	Fri Jan 21, 2005 21:15
40	Different times, different tactics	Matty	Thu Feb 03, 2005 17:54
41	Re; Matty and the Good 'old' IRA	One-Eye	Thu Feb 03, 2005 18:25
42	Rosemary Nelson and Pat Finucane, as law-upholding Catholics, were prime targets	One-Eye	Thu Feb 03, 2005 18:37
43	Roosters twisted logic	One-Eye	Thu Feb 03, 2005 18:43
44	'Nazi' McDowells Hypocrisy	Sligo Republican Socialist	Thu Feb 03, 2005 20:09

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