éirígí Campaign Update: Over 25,000 Proclamations Distributed

by Duracell Sun Sep 03, 2006 23:18

Been watchin this campaign develop over the last couple of months. Got one of their posters through the door, very professional look to it (might even stick it up on the wall). Despite the predictions of some, this group seem to be sticking the pace; no small job to print, package and distribute 25,000 posters. Be interesting to see how (or if) they develop over the next couple of years.

by Bogwarrior Mon Sep 04, 2006 00:32

What is your current position on the GFA? Do you support internal partitionist arrangements?
Eirigi must give clarity on these issues before claiming to defend Irish Sovereignty.

by Non-Practising Republican Mon Sep 04, 2006 13:05

Just took a look at the eirigi website - very impressive - news sections links to some interesting wesites and news stories - archives section worth a look as well. Must say I was a bit sceptical when this group first emerged (wasn't sure whether it was a SF front or another SF-bashing exercise) but judging by their site and what I've heard about them it dosen't seem to be either. Time will tell of course buy this may just be the beginning of something worth supporting.

On the GFA I would be very surprised if they see it as the way forward - based on what I've read on the website and what I've heard about the people involved. If they were supportive of the GFA why would they start a new organisation which is committed to working with others to end the "British occupation". The fact that they are choosing to define themselves by their actions and by what they stand for as opposed to defining themselves by a failed ten-year old treaty makes a lot of sense.

Anyway as I said, Time Will Tell

by Boyo Mon Sep 04, 2006 16:24

RSF Split over Leinster House Abstentionism, 32CSM Split over GFA, Éirigi split over what? Please could all the ex SF members, ie Éirigi why they left? Or was it as alot of people are saying personal fall outs, egos bruised, candidates not being selected - this is terrible if so.

Personalities should never come into a split.

I think the campaign is brilliant, i think there politics are brilliant, but they could have done all this within SF, especially because some of the so called eirigi main heads seemed to have held positions of influence.

It really baffles me, they say they want to be part of a braod based republican left, SF are by far the biggest bloc within Republican Left so they will have to work with SF??

What Republicans need is Republican Unity, SF need to have good minds and activists like the some of the éirigi heads involved, to challenge and work for change within the most likely movement to achieve the objectives outlined in the Proclamation and the Democratic Programme.

Keep up the good work Éirigi, i think your campaign ultimately will enhance SF, but i really am baffled as to whay you left SF. At the mo - it just seems like bruised egos.

by Dubs for Sam 2007 Tue Sep 05, 2006 17:48

the éirígí website and the statements which they have put up on this website don't engage in the SF bashing you would expect if éirígí was just a few heads nursing bruised egos. Their politics seem fairly sound as well. I wonder is talk of personal clashes, bruised egos, etc, an attempt to discredit them by those who are uncomfortable with the very existence of a new group such as éirígí. I suppose only time will tell.

by J. C. (not jesus christ) Tue Sep 05, 2006 18:30

One obvious difference between these buckos and Sinn Féin is that they don't seem to be scared by the word "Socialist"!!

by eamonn wright Tue Sep 05, 2006 23:25

The strangest thing about Eirigi is the support they recieve on this site from current SF members( using pseudos). Eirigi have given out 25,000 posters! Big Deal. Other useless front groups like swm do that every week.
This is an acceptable form of protest by SF. Play away at the posters but wait and see if Eirigi got serious about politics. If Eirigi are now promoting 1916, I cannot wait until 2096 when thy address todays current support for brit rule by Adams & Co....
Redmond supported the link with britain in '16 , Adams & Co are the link with britain in '06.
Eirigi- give us a break.
By the way...is it true that Tom Hartley is the chairperson of Eirigi?

by not buying eirigi Wed Sep 06, 2006 16:10

I don't know about hartley, but Mary Loo's sister is in its "leadership".

by ? Thu Sep 07, 2006 13:37

A MR Brian Leeson is there Chairperson

by D.O'Ceallaigh Thu Sep 07, 2006 20:05

Has Tom Hartley been dismissed already? Are there more cracks appearing? Why was Hartley dropped from Eirigi?

by provo scam Fri Sep 08, 2006 04:38

Just like provo ogra. they never answer any questions.

by Tom Hartley Sun Sep 10, 2006 00:47

Well done éirígí. Saw you guys delivering copies of the proclamation in me ma's estate on the northside today. If only some of the keyboard generals and revolutionaries that frequent this site would follow your example. Sign me up. Congrats.

by Spoiroil de kool kat Sun Sep 10, 2006 18:31

Not since Ali G have I heard street talk like this and thats just because you read the proclamation!!
Well done Sinn Fein Eirigi on giving out posters in pubs. What next...tricolors in toy shops.
The revolution is only a poster away.

by Senator McCarthy Sun Sep 10, 2006 21:07

Its amazing to read some of the comments on this thread, calling on eirigi to condemn Sinn Fein and The Good Friday Agreement - as if this is how they should define themselves - by their relationship with SInn Fein. Its all very McCarthyite, this need for public condemnations. It strikes me that the only people that have benefitted from this inter-Republican rancour are the Brits - you'd have to wonder at what motivates some of the people posting on this thread.

As for the criticism of the "Reclaim the Republic" , campaign this makes even less sense coming as it appears to be from people who consider themselves Republican. The 1916 Proclamation is the single most important Republican document of the last 200 years - I'm assuming that all Republicans would agree with this - so how can increasing circulation of such an inspirational document be regarded as a bad thing??

Fair enough, distributing the Proclamation alone is not going to change the world but if ,as I do, you find it an inspirational document then does it not make sense to get as many people as possible to read it in the hope that some of those people will also be inspired??

As I said you'd really have to question the motives of those who want Republicans to concentrate on condemning other Republicans and to stop distributing copies of the single most important document in Republican history!!

by Pat Reagan Mon Sep 11, 2006 00:54

What most republicans want is for Eirigi to stop pretending they are anything else than a Sinn Fein front. By all means give out copies of the proclimation, after all, Fianna Fail did the same in the '40's but do not expect this to be a method of converting people to its ideals.
Eirigi is a SF support group and until they begin to become active in the real world, many will continue to laugh off their infantile project.

by Rascal Mon Sep 11, 2006 16:21

Pat, the majority of republicans and those on the left i have spoken to believe its a good idea - not going to bring about the Republic in the morning by any means but positive nonetheless. Surely one of the ways in which to engage people is to provide the means by which they can judge and agree or disgree with a particular political ideal. As a republican i'm sure you would agree that the 1916 Proclamation is a document that clearly sets out the ideals of republicanism. Surely the distribution of this document might be considered one way of familiarising people with the ideals of republicanism. I'm equally sure there are a myriad of other ways in which people might become "converted" as you put it. How do you propose to "convert people to the ideals" of republicanism.

Obviously you believe this eirigi group to be a Sinn Fein front. I dont know whether they are or not. You haven't provided any evidence to suggest they are, but i'm willing to be open minded on it. There have been too many false dawns in the past for people not to have a healthy dose of scepticism.

As to your suggestion that this group become active in the real world - not really sure what you mean by that. What are "real world" activities? Do you suggest eirigi contest elections, organise an armed campaign? Perhaps you could elaborate.

by Pat Reagan Mon Sep 11, 2006 19:49

When I say Eirigi should become involved in real world politics, I mean they should actually engage with ordinary workers and campaign for the ideals contained within the 1916 document. Passing these out in pubs and at matches is equal to the shite the trots engage in.
Eirigi have to date failed to disassociate themselves from SF. They have not engaged in any real political activity or campaign. They seem unwilling to set out a political position which one can only assume means that they have none or more likely, they have not been given one by Belfast.
The ideals of the 1916 rising are very important. they can only be achieved by real political work. the ideals are both socialist and republican, either of which excludes the current SF position.
Finally, as for the shite about setting up an armed wing, well, there are enough quasi republican drug/crime gangs around without any more. The brits won the military war but republicans still can win the political battle. Being a SF front only set back that battle. Like the trots and their endless front groups, which cause genuine activists to turn away from campaigns , Eirigi is a SF scam, only there to turn people off radical politics which may challenge their power trip agenda.

by Rascal Tue Sep 12, 2006 16:28

Pat,

I am a little baffled as to some of the logic you are applying. On the one hand you suggest this Eirigi crew are a bunch of kids with nothing better to do than hand out copies of the 1916 Proclamation. You then make quite a leap by suggesting that "The brits won the military war but republicans still can win the political battle. Being a SF front (Eirigi) only set back that battle."

If Eirigi are an infantile group with nothing to offer how could they possibly have set back what you now call the political battle.

Your withering denunciation of the physical force republicanism is quite interesting - you suggest that these groups are (what you call) "quasi republican criminal drug gangs." Kitson would be proud. No hope for them bringing about the Republic so! I was not suggesting that Eirigi should organise an armed campaign merely trying to establish what you believed to be "real world activism."

If you believe the British occupation can be ended and a socialist republic be established - which group, obviously engaging in what you like to call "real world politics" is going to bring it about.

Your assessment that "Eirigi is a SF scam, only there to turn people off radical politics which may challenge their power trip agenda" will have to be explained a little further. The Shinners are alot of things but i'm not sure they would go to the lengths you suggest to turn people off radical politics.

Whilst i agree there needs to be some form of unity within republicanism you will only get that if you engage with people as opposed to denouncing them. Whilst it could be argued that the conditions do not exist for armed struggle the suggestion that those engaged in armed actions are criminal drug gangs could come out of the pages of a Paul Williams book.

by Pat Reagan Tue Sep 12, 2006 20:08

Kitson is proud. After all, he and the brits ended up controlling the IRA and grinding it into a sham army. As for the other military wings, which one of them is not directly associated with crime for personal gain. If you are nieve enough to think otherwise or wish to pretent that its all paul williams fault, I pity you.

by Hersham Boy Tue Sep 12, 2006 21:02

Sure it's all one big sham to you Pat. The RA, the Shinners, the Eirigis, the Continuity, the Trots. At least your consistent anyway. So who should we support then? The kids wont be united while your about anyway.

by Pat Reagan Wed Sep 13, 2006 23:44

Apart from the shinners, all the others have achieved nothing. not only are the kids not united, but we are as far away from Ireland being united as we were in (sham) 69.
Keep on taking the happy pills, Hersham Boy and never let the truth get in your way.

by Anon Fri Nov 03, 2006 18:40

I know for a fact that a large section of Eirigi's membership are former members of Sinn Fein who became disillusioned with antics running up to the elections and many of whom walked out after the Ard Fheis and because it looks like they are going to give in on the policing issue.

by Annie Sat Nov 04, 2006 09:52

I have no respect for anyone who walks out of an organisation because it "looks like" something is going to happen, that's just cowardice..stay, fight it, and then leave if you must.