Durty Ole DCC

by Marie Tue Sep 26, 2006 00:23

I intend to send a Letter of complaint to Mr.O'Keefe on the issue. He is the Law Agent and should be aware of the illegal activity of D.C.C.
I will post any reply on indy. The Dublin Corporation were always a shower of lousers.
My Husband and I were evicted from our Homes many Years ago under a cpo. My Husband died later as a result of the stress of it all..
Shame on all of you in d.c.c. may you all rot in hell for the lies you tell.

by Curious Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:37

Thw Waste Management Department cannot put a motion to the City Council. Only Councillors may do that. The WMD may advise the City Manager that in their opinion the ban should remain but thats it. Theres no point in posting spurious stories here. I think you should go back to your source and tell him to research how DCC operates.

by Chris Murray - the unmans Tue Sep 26, 2006 16:19

Was just forwarded the response by Dermot Lacey to Sean CFSD, and Dermott
it is simply unacceptable to suggest a press conference. The thorny little ban
introduced under the cover of the litter laws (along with the anti vagrancy laws
introduced for EU purposes) has been lifted, indeed should never have been passed.

Now that the ban is 'lifted', the council workers are making hay with protest
posters that are funded by cash-strapped groups and flouting the democratic
principles of freedom of association and assembly.

That is not acceptable to anyone. It puts the interests of the business men
and advertisers who are bombarding our kids above the right to free-expression.

The rules for democratic expression should be enforced- no-one wants council workers
carrying ID,( we dont want our children's classmates carrying iD)-but unless the council
remedies the situation with some definite rules about this issue, we will have to lobby
for enforcement. you only need a few banners and a camera, they fold up nice
and small and can be carried in a brief-case.

Enforce the right to free-speech, Dermott. (and you seemed so nice when we met in
Dartmouth Square, sorry you had to leave so soon after the media)

by Dermot Lacey Tue Sep 26, 2006 16:32

Chris,

To take your last point first. I did not just happen to leave Dartmouth Square just after the media. I had slipped down to support the event in between my two children going to play football and swimming. They had to be there by 3.00pm and I left Dartmouth Square in order to collect thema nd bring them to pool. Surely a reasonable thing to do. I was also the only elected rep to attend and participate in the CPO Hearing held by An Bord Pleanala.

Secondly I did not suggest a Press Conference someone on a previous thread on the Posters issue had and I said I would work with them if they wished.

Thirdly I repeat again that I do not support the Poster Ban and within my role as a Councillor will use any power I have to ensure that the democratic right to protest and the democratic right to poster and the democratic decision of the elected Council is upheld.

Thanks for the comment.

by Chris Murray - the unmans Tue Sep 26, 2006 16:53

Given that the right of assembly and free speech is a given in most democratic
societies, because I am really sick of passing hoardings advertising crap to my kids
and hearing that people with little money are having posters torn down. It is uneven
and does suggest that the ad lobbies hold sway above the citizen of the towns where this is happening.

Maybe some constructive or definite ideas communicated to the campaigns
would be helpful in building trust , because they are losing in this, not the
councillors and not the advertisers.

I really don't want to see ads for barbie, tights, shaving cream, and whatever other crap
that is going to make you popular, beautiful and smooth as a baby's bum, in my face
everytime I leave the park or go to school.

sorry about inferences taken on Dartmouth.

by pat c Tue Sep 26, 2006 17:13

The workers who are pulling down these posters are members of SIPTU and IMPACT. So get on to these unions and complain about what their members are doing. Point out that DCC have issued an instruction that posters are not to be pulled down.

Also if you see a DCC operative pulling down a poster then take a picture if possible. Note down the time and the place where it occurred. Its best not to get into a confrontation with the workers. Just point out to them that they are acting against DCC instructions. If you get any abuse, its best to leave it, some of these guys might attack you. Just complain to DCC about the incident. AND log it here.

Contact details:

SIPTU

National Executive Officers:
Jack O'Connor, General President.
Tel: 01-8586300 - Fax: 01-8749466
E-mail: genpres@siptu.ie

Brendan Hayes, Vice President.
Tel: 01-8586300 - Fax: 01-8749466
E-mail: vicepres@siptu.ie

Joe O'Flynn, General Secretary.
Tel: 01-8586300 - Fax: 01-8749466
E-mail: gensec@siptu.ie

IMPACT

Tom Brady
Municipal Employees

IMPACT Trade Union
Nerney's Court
Dublin 1
T: +353 1 8171500
F: +353 1 8171501/2/3

by Council Worker - DCC Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:44

" ...some of these guys might attack you " What kind of elitist nonsense is this?

by pat c Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:52

Nothing elitist about it. Those who posted above have spoken of aggressive encounters with DCC workers. I myself have had to dos with guys ripping down posters and especially with the DCC litter wardens. In some of those cases I reckoned it came close to violence on the part of the DCC employees. Some of the litter wardens, because they have uniforms see themselves as being some kind of cops.

I am merely suggesting to activists that they dont become engaged in brawls with DCC workers. If they are threatened they should make a complaint to DCC.

Do you believe that all DCC workers are proletarian saints? Why do you think some of them continue to tear down posters? What do you think of the DCC worker threatening to have Anti War activists deported? Perhaps that might be seen as elitist or even racist.

by Council Worker - DCC Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:19

I don't know any Council worker who has the power to have anyone deported. If any member of the public is abused by a council worker they should complain to the employer or perhaps the Gardai, not a trade union.

by pat c Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:26

As both IMPACT and SIPTU are opposed to racism surely it is appropriatye that a complaint should also be made to them. It might be possible to have the person expelled from the union. Also, it is appropriate to complain to SIPTU and IMPACT if DCC workers are pulling down posters illegally. The last time I checked, both SIPTU and IMPACT supported free speech.

by Council worker - DCC Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:47

This could go on forever ! We have moved from removing posters to racism. If in approaching a council worker removing posters, a member of the public is abused, you would have it that the member of the public elicit if the worker is a member of a union, then he/she is to ask which union, IMPACT or SIPTU, or it might be another union, the council deals with several. Why, because unions are opposed to racism. What sensible organisation isn't ? Why not establish what other organisation the worker might be a member of and complain to them all? The union might then expel the member.?? In your dreams. Meanwhile the abusive worker is still employed. Give us a break!!!

by MichaelY - iawm Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:49

As a member of an organisation whose posters for last Saturday's Anti-War demonstration were ripped and binned extensively by a number of DCC employees - on a rough estimate 70% of our Dublin city-centre posters had disappeared after 12 hours - and whose 3 non-Irish members were "threatened with deportation", let me clarify a number of things:

Our argument is N O T with DCC workers - whether in Unions or not. Their line, when confronted, is that their doing their job and following instructions. While a small number of them are arrogant, and some belligerent, it is not our intention right now to confront them...a number of them have already been photographed and we intend to video the nonsense next time round. If they cross the line we'll cross the bridge ourselves.

Our argument is with those non-elected officials of the DCC who issue with the left hand letters and emails confirmimg posters will not be taken down and with the right hand telling their subordinates to "clean the city from this rubbish" and "with our American friends here we dont want them to see this crap"!!

We have emailed a number of Councillors of our intention to fight this....watch this space.

by Council worker - DCC Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:49

This could go on forever ! We have moved from removing posters to racism. If in approaching a council worker removing posters, a member of the public is abused, you would have it that the member of the public elicit if the worker is a member of a union, then he/she is to ask which union, IMPACT or SIPTU, or it might be another union, the council deals with several. Why, because unions are opposed to racism. What sensible organisation isn't ? Why not establish what other organisation the worker might be a member of and complain to them all? The union might then expel the member.?? In your dreams. Meanwhile the abusive worker is still employed. Give us a break!!!

by pat c Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:54

I think we have established that its highly unlikely that you are a DCC Waste Dept worker. You are just trying to derail the thread. Whats at issue here is that some DCC workers are continuing to rip down posters. I want to cause them as much hassle as possible and acheive a situation where posters are left up.

Have a nice day.

by pat c Wed Sep 27, 2006 13:07

A small number of DCC workers have always been hostile to leftwing campaigners. Some of the confrontations I am speaking about go back 8 years or more. Some of them are still working on the city centre routes. Regardless of any instructions they get, these people will continue to hassle activists and rip down posters unless they are confronted in the correct manner.

This is not just a problem that concerns the IAWM. My advice would be to complain about these guys to whoever you can.

Heres the details on how to complain:

Q. How do I make a complaint?
A. A complaint may be made by telephone, fax, letter or e-mail or in person.

The complaint should be sent via one of the following:-

Customer Services Centre
Ground Floor, Block 3, Civic Offices
Wood Quay
Dublin 8

Tel: 222 2222
Fax: 222 5807
e-mail: customerservices@dublincity.ie

http://www.dublincity.ie/your_council/our_organisation/...e.asp

by Media Monitor - # Wed Sep 27, 2006 13:15

A lot of Irish people were exposed to the 50,000 debacle last evening and the newspapers
this morning have Bertie ' a la Di' , (remember the Coq hardi-the charvet shirts, the minister
for finance of the Haughey regime signed those cheques...)

Labour- under Quinn facilitated the Taoiseach's absence from the Dail-that arena of
accountability. Rabbitte has not reneged on it, so Bertie gets friday off to open
pubs etc- well. Mr Ahern used the media to pull a DI, and whilst he may be
grilled in the Dail today, the fact remains that we all had to watch him gurgle
or see the images over 24 hours. Now if he can have the entitlement to
say that -yes he got 50,000 grand ,then cash-strapped, voluntary orgs, who
organise assemblies can put their shagging posters up. You know:
'I don't agree with your opinion, but I will defend to the death your right to hold
it.'

Why, O, why- do we have to tolerate the bullshit about bills, queries,
pissing in the pool -politics when it is blatantly obvious that the ' man of the
people' is abusing the media to gain his entitlement and we cannae put up
some fecking posters? (s'cuse french)