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 Friday November 03, 2006 12:59 by Cian - Socialist Party & Socialist Youth (CWI) info at socialistparty dot net 086-8064801
Reactionary Jewish and Arab groups unite in homophobic campaign
A Gay Pride demo will be held in Jerusalem, on 10 November, against a background of vicious incitement and homophobic propaganda by reactionary Jewish and Arab organisations. This follows a similar campaign running up to the June 2005 Gay Pride demo, which lead to the stabbing of three demonstrators by an ultra right-wing settler (who was sentenced to 12 years in prison). These groups are attempting to whip up hatred and intimidation in to prevent people from attending the demonstration. [Written by: Shahar Benhar, Maavak Sotzialisti, CWI Israel]
Incredibly, Jewish religious-fundamentalist and extreme-rightwing groups – among them the followers of the neo-fascist leader, Meir Kahana, and his movement – formed an alliance with the reactionary Islamic Movement and its political party Ra`am- Ta’al (which organizes mainly among Israeli-Palestinians), to oppose the demonstration and organise a ‘counter-action’. The ideological settlers and Kahanists “normally” support the banishing and killings of Arabs. Now, they and the Islamic Movement have jointly plastered street lamp posts and walls of Jerusalem with posters with the reactionary slogans saying, “Jews and Arabs against the filthy parade”. A special campaign song, which threatens bloodshed, was made by two singers, one from the Kahanists and one from the Islamic movement.
“Holy War”
This is incredible hypocrisy. The Kahanists are in favour of the forcible removal of all Arabs from Israel and the Occupied Territories. Yet, they are making deals with their supposed sworn enemies to peddle their homophobic filth on the streets of Israel! The Kahanists, taking up the rhetoric of the Islamic organisations, were quoted in the press as saying they are going to launch a “Holy War” (“jihad”) against demos like this. On last year’s pride demo, Palestinians from the Occupied Territories managed to reach the march and demonstrate alongside Israeli Jews. However, they had to march with their faces covered because they feared attacks from reactionary Islamic fundamentalist organisations when they returned to the Occupied Territories.
Last year, the demo in Jerusalem was supposed to be part of an annual international demo, “World Pride”. After an unprecedented campaign of homophobic incitement, and using the excuse of the tension that existed at the time, before the withdrawal of Jewish settlements from Gaza, the Jerusalem organizers agreed to substitute a smaller-scale local parade, and to postpone the international one. The last year was characterized by the weakening of the main political parties and greater confidence amongst the extreme-nationalist forces.
Against this background, a homophobic campaign was renewed with greater intensity. The main liberals (including some proclaimed “gay celebrities”), who, in the past few years, tried to pose as leading opposition against homophobia, have exposed themselves on this issue. Unfortunately, they have totally yielded before the pressure of the reactionary parties. While they would support a commercialized “party-parade” in Tel-Aviv (the second largest city), where the level of daily homophobia is relatively low, they strongly opposed all initiatives for a serious demonstration in the capital city, Jerusalem, since it demands a real effort behind calling for a struggle, with all its implications.
In practice, these people agree with the claims of the fundamentalists and fascists that such a parade is a provocation and people should protest where they can do so “quietly”.
It seems like the events around the march in Jerusalem is a repetition of similar situations, in the past few months, in Moscow, Riga, Warsaw, and Bucharest.
Media hysteria
In the past few days, hundreds of Jewish orthodox fundamentalist rioted in Jerusalem. Seventy (out of 120) members of the Knesset (parliament) signed a petition against the gay pride parade. Even before that, the government promised the Jerusalem municipality that it would use pressure to force a cancellation of the demo. The news headlines are full of warnings of a ‘blood bath’. The right-wing reactionary Jewish organisations claimed they will mobilise one million people, in three counter-demos, and in nationwide protests. The figure is obviously fictional, and aimed to deter protesters from showing up. Still, even a crowd of 200,000 could be enough to dwarf the gay pride parade and to pose a serious threat. Posters displayed in areas of Jerusalem by these reactionary organisations give instructions on how to make Molotov cocktails, and other amateur weapons, and call for the “sacrifice of life”. It was revealed that rotten eggs are ready to be used against gay pride marchers along the planned route, as well as fruit containing razors.
Over 8,500 people demonstrated in 2005 on the Jerusalem Gay Pride demo but it is not clear what effect the intimidation campaign will have on the protesters this year.
The main prison that serves the Jerusalem region is being cleared of all its inmates in the run-up to the demo, to make space for the expected 1,000 arrests the police expect to be made. Over 8,000 riot police, and 2,000 border police (the paramilitary force normally used to guard checkpoints and attack Palestinians), will be positioned along the route. Unfortunately, the organisers of the demo are expecting this traditionally reactionary force to protect the demonstrators. The organisers also asked participants not to bring posters or placards larger than A3 size because they feel this will act as a provocation to the police. However, experience shows that bending the knee to right wing reactionaries merely encourages more attacks not less. As the Gay Liberation Front stated, in 1971, “We do not intend to ask for anything. We intend to stand firm and assert our basic rights. If this involves violence, it will not be we who initiate this, but those who attempt to stand in our way to freedom”.
Maavak Sotzialisti (CWI in Israel) will be participating in the gay pride demonstration and campaigns for proper stewarding to protect the event. We produced leaflets outlining the reactionary role of the homophobic campaign against the demonstration, and how this is used to divide the working class, Jewish and Arab, alike. Through our campaign leading up to the demo, and by our participation on it, we hope to show the importance of standing up against this vile reactionary propaganda. This is part of the struggle for a socialist world that ends oppression of all minorities, regardless of their ethnic or national background and their sexual orientation.
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Jump To Comment: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25And congratulations to the CWI for taking a principled position on this issue and not backing down. Jerusalem is not just for the fundamentalists, its also for women for non-believers, for the LGBT community.
The Mullahs show that they are more interested in attacking gays than in supporting people in Gaza. This at a time when the IDF are killing Palestinians daily.
Arabs & Israelis on the 2004 Pride March.
from the always sardonic Pesticide.hu....
Mr. Gay Hungary's Hopes Foiled by the Jews!
Mr. Gay Hungary and Mr. Gay Europe Nándor Gyöngyösi received the "audience prize" at the "Mr. Gay International" contest held in Palm Springs, California, on Saturday. The winner was Mr. Gay Israel, putting Hungarian right-wingers in the awkward position of choosing between gay-baiting and Jew-bashing.
http://www.pestiside.hu/archives/remainder_bin_mr_gay_h...5.php
Never underestimate the ability of Homophobia to unite communities
Dont forget that here in Northern Ireland it was an allance of fundamentalist Catholics and Paisleyites that kept gay sex illegal for fifteen years after it was legal in the UK mainland
pride under occupation, is not possible.
these events in j'lem are mostly for Israeli sand Israeli supporting "liberal"queers to party. under occupation palestinians form the occupied territories of the west bank or gaza cannot get to jerusalem from the occupied terrritories.
Interestingly this article does not source palestinian organizations such as ASWAT with their critique of the festivities.( some of which can be found in the guardian)
an exclusionary event is just that-don't call it pride.
j.f. mulligan
In fact, while Palestinians will have great difficulty travelling from the Occupied Territories a huge number of Palestinians live inside Israel itself. For gay people from that community one of the chief obstacles they will face in attending a gay pride demonstration comes from homophobic attitudes amongst some leaders of their own community.
It is very interesting that reactionaries amongst both the Israelis and the Palestinians have managed to temporarily overcome their differences to unite in persecuting gay people. Perhaps that doesn't matter to J.F. Mulligan, but I think most readers of this site will support the struggle of gay people in Israel and throughout the Middle East. As far as the wider context goes, the homophobia of the right wing rulers of Israel should actually provide Palestinian and pro-Palestinian activists with even more arguments to separate a section of the Israeli Jewish population from their ruling elite. People are after all well capable of drawing wider conclusions about the society they live in from their own experience of struggle.
It's tragic that one of the few forms of Jewish-Islamic cooperation is this blatant homophobia. What have the liberals done in response?
The march is going ahead! Full story at the link
Jerusalem's gay march to go ahead
Jerusalem's gay pride march has become a regular event
The Israeli attorney-general has given the go-ahead for a gay pride parade in Jerusalem planned for next week. Menachem Mazuz said there was no legal justification for banning the march.
Mr Mazuz's comments came after talks with senior police officers who had sought the ban because of concerns about public safety.
2005 Pride Parade In Jerusalem.
No march that gives israel the opportunity to disguise it's obliteration of Palestinians in anyway shape or form should happen in Jerusalem. If this march will primarily highlight the shocking state of human rights in Palestine then Go Ahead, otherwise they should ban themselves.
They should boycott Jerusalem in solidaity with their fellow humans who are suffering from absolute discrimination and death in the lands immediately around. March somewhere else and highlight the boycott of Jerusalem. No paddys day March either, or Independence day , or Barney and friends Day.
A complete boycott on Jerusalem!
Your beloved Mullahs might take your advice to heart and stop collaborating with Right Wing Zionists against Gay Palestinians and Israelis. The Islamists are coalescing with Zionists who want to Ethnically Cleanse Palestinians from the Occupied Territories.
Dont you think these Mullahs should be supporting the Palestinians under siege in Gaza instead?
Cmon Patc , try a little harder to respond to the immediate issue.
If the gay Pride March serves to make Israel appear like a democracy and provide some emergency cosmetic make-up to that regime at a time when it is instigating a slaughter, do you think the march should go ahead. Stop hiding behind the Zionist/Mullah rhetoric and answer that simple question.
Do you believe in Gay rights over Human rights?
Shoud the Gay March be allowed to provide a smoke screen for the Palestinian tragedy?
Or if there is a danger that it might be utlised so, are you prepared to pimp out your Gay rights to the Israeli propaganda machine? Should I travel to Jerusalem to support your Gay rights, and flash my tourist visa and enter like a first class citizens whilst the Palestinians are being shuffled out the back door to waiting rooms and transfer busses to Jordan?
Are these the type of Gay rigts you support ?
No Mullah chanting responses required, thank you.
"Cmon Patc , try a little harder to respond to the immediate issue."
Well for LGBT people the Pride Parade is the immediate issue.
But I would have thouht that for the Mullahs the immediate issue would be supporting the Palestinians under siege in Gaza. But no: instead they link up with Right Wing Zionists to attack Gays.
"If the gay Pride March serves to make Israel appear like a democracy and provide some emergency cosmetic make-up to that regime at a time when it is instigating a slaughter, do you think the march should go ahead."
Thats a man of straw argument. Both Arab and Israeli LGBTs want this parade to go ahead.
"Stop hiding behind the Zionist/Mullah rhetoric and answer that simple question."
Its not rhetoric, its facts. The Mullahs are making common cause with Right Wing Orthodox Jews.
"Do you believe in Gay rights over Human rights?"
Thats a nonsensical question.
"Shoud the Gay March be allowed to provide a smoke screen for the Palestinian tragedy?"
Palestinian gays dont believe that its providing a smokescreen.
The only ones providing a smokescreen are those Islamists who are concentrating on attacking the Pride Parade rather than supporting the Palestinians in Gaza.
"Or if there is a danger that it might be utlised so, are you prepared to pimp out your Gay rights to the Israeli propaganda machine?"
That is a disgraceful smear. Should Palestinian LGBTs hide? If now is not the time to fight for their rights then when?
"Should I travel to Jerusalem to support your Gay rights, and flash my tourist visa and enter like a first class citizens whilst the Palestinians are being shuffled out the back door to waiting rooms and transfer busses to Jordan?"
Do you think you have the right to tell Palestinians that they should stay in the closet?
"Are these the type of Gay rigts you support ?"
Do you deny Palestinians the right to express theiir sexulity?
"No Mullah chanting responses required, thank you."
But you'll get it anyway. Why dont you demand that the Mullahs support the Palestinians in Gaza?
I question the wisdom of people travelling from all over the world to Israel and glossing up it's image as the "only democracy in the ME" at a time when the full weight of International Justice should be falling on its head for it's heinous crimes. Now we know the Israel junta is never going to get punished for the onslaught in Lebanon, or even the 19 murders this morning and surely the 20 more to come tonight or the next, but should they be rewarded with an international celebratory event?
You are rationalising to the crowd with your "Fight the Mullahs" rubbish. if you want to parade for Gay rights in Islam go down to the local mosque and stand in solidarity with your Gay Muslim brothers and sisters. Dont undermine Palestinian human rights with a festival in Jerusalem with the music and the drums drowning out the Artillery fire and gunshots on the other side of the wall.
How many Palestinian Gays do you imagine will make it from Hebron, from Gaza, from Nablus etc to the parade. I wager None will make it. Gay Palestinians coming in from America have more of a chance of being turned back for being Palestinian than for being Gay.
Will you breeze through Tel Aviv airport en-route to your party and feel no sense of betrayal at the line of Palestinians who are trying to get back to their families but wont, because they are Palestinian. The food you buy, the drink you drink, the board you pay etc. etc. all subsidising the occupation.
No, I do not deny anybody the right to express their sexuality. I also have made it very clear that if the Gay Pride March is not used as Hasbara propaganda then fine have a ball. But I cant see how that could be a reality. If I organised a Paddy's Day parade in Jeruslaem Id probably meet great entheusiasm with Israeli Tourism, but if I told them that the theme was Human Rights in Modern Ierland and that there would be Palestinian Irish included protesting their family's rights in Ocuupied Palestine or in Israel, I'd be sent packing.
And I dont demand anything from Bigots, be they Mullahs, Zionists or just plane Idiots
Palestinian LGBTs are entitled to their rights. They are entitled to openly march through Jerusalem. Despite all of your hyperbole and bluster there really are only two sides here. The only ones who are opposing this march are the religious bigots and you.
Are you on the side of:
1. The Islamic and Jewish bigots who intend to physically attack the parade.
2. The Arab and Israeli LGBT Community who intend march through Jerusalem to demand their rights in both Palestine and Israel.
Pat C:
'Well for LGBT people the Pride Parade is the immediate issue.'
Is that right, Pat? Are you assuming that there were no lesbians or gays among the family of ten Palestinians buried in the rubble of their own homes by Israeli shells last night?
Second: Would you, if you were Palestinian in the occupied territories today, travel to march alongside an Israeli gay man kitted out in military uniform, just because he's gay? Isn't there an argument to be made that your time would be better spent fighting alongside the Palestinian resistance, even if some/many of those you are fighting alongside do not have a perfectly sound position on gay rights?
Third: Is being 'correct' on the question of support for lesbian and gay rights the litmus test for whether activists in Ireland should support an anti-imperialist movement? If so, when would you say this became a valid test? In 1900? 1916? 1948? 1964? 1981? 2000?
"Is that right, Pat? Are you assuming that there were no lesbians or gays among the family of ten Palestinians buried in the rubble of their own homes by Israeli shells last night? "
Its quite possible there were LGBTS among them. Whats your point? I raised this attack earlier on another thread
"Second: Would you, if you were Palestinian in the occupied territories today, travel to march alongside an Israeli gay man kitted out in military uniform, just because he's gay?"
I'm not so I cannot answer a hypothetical question. Military service is universal among Israelis so literally any Israelii on the march would be a soldier. Thousands of Palestinians choose to do so.
"Isn't there an argument to be made that your time would be better spent fighting alongside the Palestinian resistance, even if some/many of those you are fighting alongside do not have a perfectly sound position on gay rights?"
Isnt there an argument that the Islamists in Jerusalem who are coalescing with Right Wing Jews to attack gays would spend their time better if if they supported the Palestinian Resistance?
"Third: Is being 'correct' on the question of support for lesbian and gay rights the litmus test for whether activists in Ireland should support an anti-imperialist movement?" If so, when would you say this became a valid test? In 1900? 1916? 1948? 1964? 1981? 2000? "
No. It never was. But I know that the Republican Movement supported LGBT Rights at least from the late 1970s. There was a LGBT Action Group which supported the H Block Amaragh prisoners.
I suggest you read my previous writings. Especially where I was supporting the Military campaign of Hezbollah and Paddy K was attacking mme for not being critical enough of Hezbollah.
I dont agree with Hezbollahs political programme but they fought a National Liberation Struggle against Israel and won in 2000. In the recent Israeli invasion, once again Hezbollah defeated Israelis. All Anti Imperialists should give critical support to Hezbollah. That does not mean that you have to support the targettung of civialians.
Again I have also supported Hamas in their military struggle against Israel. I defended their capturing of the Israeli soldiers back in June as a military action.
Things are certainly complicated.
Patc
Am I on the side of:
" 1. The Islamic and Jewish bigots who intend to physically attack the parade."
No, I dont like bigots and I dont believe Bigots should be allowed to dictate the rights of society.
"2. The Arab and Israeli LGBT Community who intend march through Jerusalem to demand their rights in both Palestine and Israel."
No, because i am afraid their parade will be used as a Hasbara opportunity to promote the Israeli army as the most moral army in the world defending the Parade, and Israel promoting itself as the only democracy in the ME.
All this is crystal clear in my previous posts.
Now I've answered your questions but you have answered none of mine. So once again do you think as an individual that there is a real danger that this parade will be used as a propaganda opportunity for the Israeli Junta and a smokescreen for the ongoing murders a couple of mile away.
Sorry, Ive another question for Patc , the individual, Do you endorse the use of Suicide bombers as a legitimate weapon of resistance against the occupation and if so is the Gay Parade a legitimate target if it is being used as a Hasbara opportunity by the Israeli regime?
"No, because i am afraid their parade will be used as a Hasbara opportunity to promote the Israeli army as the most moral army in the world defending the Parade, and Israel promoting itself as the only democracy in the ME."
No it will not. Individual members of the army will be on the parade. The police will be protecting the parade. Do you believe the parade is not entitled to protection from attack?
"Now I've answered your questions"
I would say you have evaded them.
" but you have answered none of mine."
Oh yes I have!
"So once again do you think as an individual that there is a real danger that this parade will be used as a propaganda opportunity for the Israeli Junta and a smokescreen for the ongoing murders a couple of mile away."
No I do not.
I think it will illustrate two examples of Israelis and Arabs uniting:
1. In a vicious violent manner to attack the rights of LGBTs.
2. In a peaceful way to demand respect for LGBT Rights.
"Sorry, Ive another question for Patc , the individual, Do you endorse the use of Suicide bombers as a legitimate weapon of resistance against the occupation and if so is the Gay Parade a legitimate target if it is being used as a Hasbara opportunity by the Israeli regime?"
1. I have always opposed the use of suicide bombers.
2. Only someone with a very sick mind would see the LGBT Parade as a legitimate target.
PatC:
1.
"Are you assuming that there were no lesbians or gays among the family of ten Palestinians buried in the rubble of their own homes by Israeli shells last night? "
Yours: "Its quite possible there were LGBTS among them. Whats your point?"
Mine: The point is, Pat, perhaps you are very wrong in your assertion that "for LGBT people the Pride Parade is the immediate issue." Perhaps you forgot about the occupation when you typed those words. Perhaps that blind spot is intrinsic to your politics. Perhaps you are simply pretending not to get 'the point' in order to duck the issue.
2.
Mine: "Second: Would you, if you were Palestinian in the occupied territories today, travel to march alongside an Israeli gay man kitted out in military uniform, just because he's gay?"
Yours: "I'm not so I cannot answer a hypothetical question."
Clearly ducking here.
i'm not ducking anything. i'm not palestinian so it is impossible to put myself in the position of a palestinian. thousands of LGBT palestinians however choose to march alongside LGBT israeli soldiers.
they obviously feel that they have more in common with those Israelis than they have with the Islamists who are attacking their parade.
Why is it that some lefties think that all and any womens or LGBT struggles must be abandoned in case it might upset cosevative Muslims? Is it something intrinsic to your politics?
Why dont you condemn the Mullahs who have linked up with Right Wing Zionists to attack the LGBT Parade? Why dont you put demands on them?
I think there is a major probability that the parade will become a much needed Hasbara asset for Israel. You are sure it wont saying : "No it will not. Individual members of the army will be on the parade."
How can you know? When did you last use that crystal ball of yours.
You asked me do I believe the parade is not entitled to protection from attack ?
No, I believe everyone should be entitled to protection from attack whilst they associate and express themselves peacefully, including Zionists and Mullahs. In fact it's included in your human rights.
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Human Rights Declaration
Article 19. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Article 20.(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
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Not that Human rights are at the top of the agenda here. Gay rights are.
The Israeli army is supposed to provide security to lots of people engaged in expressing themselves or simply going about their daily business, but unfortunately that is not the case.
***Peaceful Bil'in Protestors Attacked by IOF***
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/10/30/18324668.php
"Twelve-year old Ibrahim Ghazi Beit-Ilo was hit in the neck by shrapnel
from a live bullet following a peaceful protest march against the
Apartheid Wall in Bil'in today."
***Palestinian farmers face settler terror***
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/7F4EC7F0-C783-40...4.htm
"The army is well aware of what the settlers are doing. Israeli troops often look on while the settlers attack peaceful Palestinian farmers picking their crops."
Do you believe the Gay Pride March should be entitled to special security that is not extended to others and do you not think this special security would indicate Israel wanting to highlight it's mock democratic credentials to the world as a smokescreen for the artocities behind the wall?
I suggest to you that the Israeli army will get the opportunity to buff up their bogus "most moral" accolade on Gay Pride Day. You disagree. You claim the march wont endorse the IOF as the march will be under the security of the Police. Hmmm?
+ Lebanon is flattened by the Army in the interest of Israeli security.
+Thousands of Palestinians are turned back or held indefinitely at checkpoints everyday for Israeli security.
+Gaza is besieged and under fire for Israeli security.
+You will amble through Tel Aviv airport but the Palestinians will be turned back because of Israeli security.
+The Israelis have the fourth most dangerous army in the world in order to provide for Israeli security.
But on Gay Pride day, its the police providing the security, and the Army are in the march.
Take it from me, your crystal ball is broken but your tunnel vision is functioning perfectly.
I similarly do not endorse suicide bombers as a weapon against occupation. I cannot agree more that a suicide attack is a sign of sickness. Hatred is a sickness, the most insidious social sickness there is. Whilst the sickness of a homophobe or a bigot or a racist cannot be rationalised I dont think the same can be said for a suicide bomber.
You previously told me you would punch me out if you met me. That was for typing the word "queer". What would you do to me if I had just blown thirteen members of your family to heaven as they slept. Rationalising is a subjective excercise.
Legtimiate target? Is there ever such a thing? I have my doubts.
Laughing gangs of party goers entwined with the men and women of the Israeli Army in uniform on the streets of Occupied Jerusalem? No I dont think they are legitimate targets. But some person sick with hatred might. Did you ever stop to consider the possibility that one of the men or women marching in the parade might have been at the controls of those cannons this morning?
"think there is a major probability that the parade will become a much needed Hasbara asset for Israel. You are sure it wont saying : "No it will not. Individual members of the army will be on the parade." How can you know? When did you last use that crystal ball of yours. "
No. Its just that on occasions like thism, the police are used. THey are hardly likely to use tanks against potential attackers. It would be bad for Hasbara.
"You asked me do I believe the parade is not entitled to protection from attack ?No, I believe everyone should be entitled to protection from attack whilst they associate and express themselves peacefully, including Zionists and Mullahs. "
Eh, the Mullahs & Right Wing Zionists are the ones who intend to attack the parade.
"The Israeli army is supposed to provide security to lots of people engaged in expressing themselves or simply going about their daily business, but unfortunately that is not the case."
You outline a list of attacks on Palestinians; whats your point? You know I oppose those attacks. You know I defend the right of Palestinians to defend themselves.
"Do you believe the Gay Pride March should be entitled to special security that is not extended to others and do you not think this special security would indicate Israel wanting to highlight it's mock democratic credentials to the world as a smokescreen for the artocities behind the wall?"
You are setting up a man of straw here. My only demand is that the march be allowed to go ahead. Why are you trying to derail this thread? Why is it that some supposed supporters of Palestine go apeshit whenever womens or LGBT Rights are mentioned?
You posted a lot of stuff which is irrelevant to the thread and I am ignoring it. Now:
"But on Gay Pride day, its the police providing the security, and the Army are in the march. "
Yes, you have already said you believe the march is entitled to protection. Military servicve is univeral in Israel so obviously members of the army will be on the parade.
"You previously told me you would punch me out if you met me. That was for typing the word "queer". "
No. I wrote that if we met I would give you an opportunity to repeat the same insults to my face. You used the term in an offensive manner.
"Did you ever stop to consider the possibility that one of the men or women marching in the parade might have been at the controls of those cannons this morning?"
Well, did you ever consider that one of the Palestinians marching might have sniped at the Israelis that morning? Thousands of Palestinians choose to march side by side with the Israelis on this parade.
if paddyk had an iota of an idea apart from the antisemitic sites he quotes from id listen 2. but the fact is the poor fellow is deluded with hate and takes direct lines from antisemitic people working an agenda and calls em fact.
paddyd, try to work with the moderate palestinians and israelis rather than quote the most bigoted ones all the time and i might believe you actually are not antisemitic
a month in the life of an israeli
April 2006 Terrorist Attacks
4/28/2006: 4 Kassam rockets fired at the Western Negev. No injuries.
4/26/2006: Palestinian Authority policemen thwarted a massive car bomb attack at the Karni crossing into Gaza. Two cars, one of which was packed with half a ton of explosives, tried to blow a wall in the terminal.
4/24/2006: Kassam rockets fired from Gaza into the Western Negev. No injuries.
4/22/2006: An Israeli Border Patrol officer was stabbed at a checkpoint north of Jerusalem by a Palestinian youth. The officer was lightly injured in the attack.
4/22/2006: Palestinians fire a Russian-made Katyusha rocket toward Ashkelon. No injuries.
4/22/2006: 2 Palestinian terrorists associated with Fatah were arrested in Jenin. They were planning a suicide bombing against Israel.
4/20/2006: Palestinians in Gaza fire Kassam rockets at Western Negev cities. No injuries.
4/19/2006: Kassam rockets fired from Gaza strike outside of Negev Kibbutz. No injuries. Several dozen Kassam rockets struck the Western Negev during the Passover holiday.
4/17/2006: Suicide Bomber explodes at Tel Aviv's old Central Bus Station, murdering 9 and wounding over 50.
4/15/2006: Kassam rocket lands outside of Sderot. No injuries.
4/14/2006: Palestinians fired 8 Kassam rockets from Gaza into the Western Negev. 1 struck the Dining Hall of Kibbutz Yad Mordechai as dozens of people sait inside eating. No one was injured but considerable damage was done to the building. Another Kassam struck a sport's stadium of a neighborhing kibbutz. No injuries.
4/13/2006: A Palestinian terrorist was captured by IDF forces east of Shechem (Nablus) carrying a pistol and an ax with which he intended to attack IDF soldiers.
4/13/2006: 2 Palestinian terrorists from Gaza were killed by IDF soldiers as they approached the Gaza Security Fence with rifles and grenades for an attack
4/12/2006: Palestinians fire at IDF troops on patrol outside of Shechem (Nablus). No injuries.
4/11/2006: 4 Kassam rockets fired from Gaza at the Western Negev. No injuries.
4/9/2006: 2 Kassams fired from evacuated Israeli communities of Gaza. No injuries.
4/8/2006: Kassam rocket fired from Gaza at the Western Negev. No injuries.
4/7/2006: 2 Kassam rockets launched from Gaza. No injuries. Over 40 rockets have been launched from Gaza this week alone.
4/6/2006: 2 IDF soldiers injured in Shechem (Nablus) operation to arrest terrorists
4/6/2006: Israel's security forces arrest another Palestinian woman in Shechem (Nablus) planning to carry out a suicide bombing.
4/6/2006: A Kassam rocket fired from Northern Gaza struck a Matress Factory in Kibbutz Zikim starting a small fire. One person was taken to the hospital suffering from shock. The rocket was one of 9 launched just within the past 24 hours.
4/5/2006: 4 Kassam rockets fired from Gaza landed in open spaces in the Western Negev. No injuries.
4/5/2006: Israel's security forces arrest 2 Palestinians planning to carry out suicide bombings.
4/5/2006: IDF officer lightly wounded in the neck during a gunfight with Palestinian terrorists in Shechem (Nablus).
4/5/2006: Palestinian woman preparing for a suicide bombing arrested by Israeli security forces before she could attack.
4/4/2006: 4 Kassam rockets were fired from Gaza into southern Israel wounding at least 2 people and leaving deep craters in the ground.
support the moderates , stop preaching hatred
Now Pope Benny has joined in to condemn the Pride Parade. All the bigots are united. Yes, its bigotry and hatred which unites Catholic, Islamic and Jewish fundamentalists.
Vatican opposes Jerusalem gay-pride parade
The Holy See has called for the cancellation of a "gay pride" march scheduled to take place in Jerusalem on November 10. The Vatican press office, in a statement released November 8, said the demonstration in Jerusalem would be "an affront to the sentiments" of believers, and religious principles would be "systematically offended" in a city that is sacred to the great monotheistic faiths.
Patc, I am finished with you. You've made your points I've made mine and the record speaks for itself. Thanks and good luck with the Gay Pride Project. I hope the Mullahs dont spoil the fun.
If anyone else happens to mosey in here and see this list that PDIDDY has posted I'd urge them to carefully read it. Event by event. Nobody ever said the Palestinian resistance is trying to make friends with the Israelis, in fact they are probably hoping to kill them. But by firing these basically futile and primitive devices they are achieving one thing for certain. They are showing that no matter what is done to them over the course of 60 years past and how many more to come , they will not lie down and give in. Call them stubborn.
If the Israelis plan to ethnically cleanse the land then they will have to do it one by one, house by house. Every sqaure meter will be stained with blood. With 80 Palestinians dead and 300 maimed so far in the first week of November (projected 320 dead and over a thousand maimed by month's end) I think its safe to say that this basically symbolic resistance suits the Israelis just fine.
The main message of these rockets to us should be that the Palestinians are still there and all we can do to help them is try effect a Boycott against Israel. Stop buying their goods, collaborating with their institutions or travelling to their country or the parts of Palestine they have annexed illegally to their country. Like Jerusalem for Example.
Your comment is off topic and you are just confirming your intent to derail this thread. Why dont you post these comments on other threads where there are people who actually support Zionism posting comments?
I find it very odd that supposed supporters of the Palestinians do not attack the Neo-Con Zionists but reserve their wrath for supporters of Palestine cause who also happen to support womens rights and LGBT Rights.