What is Haughey's Legacy?

by John mcDermott - removefiannafail Wed Dec 20, 2006 01:25

A graverobbers tale.No honour among scoundrels
What we all knew is now public record.Let it stand as a tablet of stone to remind us that the truth cannot be buried with villians.And the bluster and defiance of those who defend the indefensible stands for naught. Dust in the wind.
Decent people must now stand and be counted, wherever they are or in whatever walk of life the be, they must exercise their influence to bring the Fianna Fail regime to an and but only on the basis that any parties who would greedily take their place, become answerable to the people.The vast majority of decent citizens who abhorr all that Haughey, and Ahern , and Cowan, stand for.

Its official: C.J.H. stole Lenehans hospital fund.

by Shaner Wed Dec 20, 2006 13:18

Probably with the notable exception of the likes of Vincent Browne, Magill and Phoenix the rest of the press corps were happily embedded in the ranks of gormless CJ adulation while he sucked the blood out of all of us.

Fancy some fava beans with a nice bottle of Chianti, Brian?

by Outsider Wed Dec 20, 2006 13:44

Haughey went into government with moderate means and came out rich as Croesus, none of it gained through honest hard work. His family and his associates are living off dishonest earnings while his children running businesses with illegitimate foundations. What about all the LIVING corrupt individuals who built massive business interests under his patronage, all the LIVING civil servant millionaires running property empires, all the LIVING politicians continuing their self-serving careers as if nothing has happened? Is anyone going to name those who got rich under Haughey and let them explain (the quite possibly honest) means their wealth was created?

by iosaf Wed Dec 20, 2006 14:27

Though there have been a few, they merely seem to prove the rule - people enter politics for one of 4 stated reasons (social conviction / national belief / religious fervour / their mammy & daddy set them up for it from an early age). I think (rather paradoxically) that it's both too late & too early to judge Haughey's legacy. It's too late in the sense that the confirmation of financial wrong-doing had no visible or tangible effect on either the family or party & too early in the sense that we must wait a long time to learn more about wider national political issues which shaped the island's recent history & set the course many would argue we are still following with only slight variations (yet much exagerated in importance) on Anglo-Irish relations. A good time to judge part of that legacy will the imminent ( oh it is! ) death of Thatcher or the other half of Eire's "taoiseachness" in that period Garret FitzGerald. Without wishing the stuttering doctor of economics ill health - but I wonder will FitzG get a state funeral? whilst we all know Thatcher will get the whole deal - fireworks, riots, parties on the street, Queen in black, shock revelations & leaked dossiers..,

by Ousider Wed Dec 20, 2006 15:39

How much money did Rupert Murdoch's HarperCollins / Hyperion Press give Cecelia Ahern in an upfront advance for "PS, I Love You"? ("$1 Million + for the 22-year-old daughter of Ireland's Prime Minister" according to Amazon) How much profit have they recouped from the book? What was exclusive Irish sporting coverage worth to Rupert Murdoch's Sky Television? How much money have they recouped since the effective destruction of Chorus and NTL's Irish subscriber base, and their now 70 per cent of Irish viewers? And what commitment did they demonstrate, other than income, in cancelling Sky News Ireland?

by Fred Johnston Wed Dec 20, 2006 20:39 sylfredcar at iolfree dot ie

Well may we laugh, but we as a nation permitted Haughey to exist; we shut up, we voted, we knew. Our artists and writers lapped at his heels, bought by a crumb and a wink, praising him, comparing him to a mythical hero. He had some of them well sorted, he knew them as he knew some of the politicos and journos who surrounded him.
In the midst of revelation after revelation about Haughey pouring from Dublin Castle, poor men, out of work dockers and farmers, told me how great a man Charlie was. We had a quaint philosophy - better to be screwed by someone you know than by the invidious Brit! We were proud of him, in our perversity. And he still has his apologists. (By the way, weren't the Lenihan medical expenses, at Charlie's order, paid in the end by the VHI?)
We called ourselves cultured and quoted Joyce to back up our assertion - we thought it was cultured for our Taoiseach to buy shirts in Paris. Our painters, playwrights, poets, novelists, sculptors queued up to be with Charlie, 'The Squire,' 'The Boss'. He tossed us the scrapings from his paid-for table and we blessed him for his benificence. He wished to create an artists' academy and he ended up with Aosdána; voiceless, gestureless, impotent socially and politically, but good enough as a pension fund. He mocked the Irish passport, the very notion of patriotism and citizenship. As for the FF party money . . . . .Fianna Fáil were terrified to ask for any of it back in case other stones would be lifted and equally crawly things emerge. They still are. And yet there were those who called him still a patriot!
Yet we would deserve his like again. Until we raise our voices against corruption in politics, even of the least sort and in the least government or council office, we will be paving the way, giving the nod, to new Haugheys and those who would make Ireland a true green banana republic. Writers and other artists have a civic duty to ask questions and to make nuisances of themselves - they are not entitled to crawl, bowl in hand, to the first cheaply-baubled hand extended to them. We should disown such writers, such artists. We should write letters, pose queries, attend Council meetings, learn to write and protest unafraid to our politicians - after all, they owe US their jobs.
We should stop being thick and easily manipulable Paddies, doffing caps every time a black Merc drives past, transmuting our ancient reverence for the clergy into a reverence for politicians. We should DEMAND that any politician, at any level, who is accused of any misdemeanour, stop down while any investigation proceeds and resign immediately if found guilty.
Can we restore ourselves to ourselves? Can we be proud again? After such naivété, can there ever be wisdom?

by Deirdre Clancy - AWI (personal capacity) Fri Dec 22, 2006 01:12

I heard Paul Durcan read a poem on the Pat Kenny show one morning a few years ago; it was a tribute poem to Haughey, and listed his many charms and wonderful attributes, including his generosity (presumably, his generosity with ill-gotten gains, while the rest of the country was tightening its belt and emigrating).

What is wrong with the artistic establishment in Ireland? Artists are supposed to rock the boat. It's one of their various functions. If they simply mirror back the more unreconstructed aspects of society (such as that aspect of Ireland which says, 'Ah sure, but wasn't he a great man all the same') it just makes those aspects more deeply entrenched by validating them.

No wonder James Joyce left the country. He saw it too clearly.

by Joe Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:28

Well for me his legacy iis that I will never vote for Fianna Fail. When I was surviving on IR£40 a week he was spending hundreds on fancy French shirts. I wouldn't pi** on his grave.

by historian Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:36

Durcan got a few bob from him, that's why he likes him. Same man that wrote drivel condemning people like Bobby Sands. Neither of them fit to tie his boots.

by starkadder Tue Apr 24, 2007 21:19

Haughey also supported the catholic conservatives during the abortion and divorce referenda, while hypocritically having an adulterous affair with Terry Keane.

by starkadder Thu Jun 28, 2007 18:41

Haughey, with his pro-business attitude and his hypocritical Victorian moralism, was of the same type as Thatcher and Reagan. He belongs in Pink Floyd's "Fletcher Memorial Home" with the other
"tyrants and kings".

by Queen B's Thu Jun 28, 2007 20:12

B ree B ertie B ush B liar B everly B ill & B B C B ecks (not posh) B ono
Thr question is what have them all got in common? Sports shops!