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Cowen pleads to public sector workers to support his insanity.

category national | miscellaneous | opinion/analysis author Monday February 09, 2009 22:44author by jim traversauthor email jimtravers at eirom dot net Report this post to the editors

Cowen pleads-but nobody's listening

The man is in a corner, his party in a hole, the opposition lining up to take on the government’s toxic debts
and Ireland once again is in an economic shithole that was brought about by political representatives who neither knew how to spend wisely nor how to manage properly, in case of a rainy day, the state’s finances. Joe Higgins was a total gobeen for telling us that we were on a slide to disaster, while David McWilliams was criticised by everybody and anybody who proudly professed their expertise in the financial affairs of the state.

Ref: Thursday March 02, 2006. http://www.indymedia.ie/article/74609#comments

Cowen pleads to public sector workers to support his insanity.

The man is in a corner, his party in a hole, the opposition lining up to take on the government’s toxic debts
and Ireland once again is in an economic shithole that was brought about by political representatives who neither knew how to spend wisely nor how to manage properly, in case of a rainy day, the state’s finances. Joe Higgins was a total gobeen for telling us that we were on a slide to disaster, while David McWilliams was criticised by everybody and anybody who proudly professed their expertise in the financial affairs of the state. Bertie was on a high, so high he could advise another politician to go back to his little corner and die, and the people wallowed in the roar of the tiger. Slam, bang, wallop, the Celtic Tiger ground to a halt and the fingers of blame started to point in the direction of the banking industry.
Blame the banker’s they got us into the mess we are currently in. Yea, blame the bankers; turn the rage of the people away from the real culprits of the economic disaster we now find ourselves in. The real culprits for this disaster can be found within the walls of Leinster House, for it’s within the walls of Leinster House that political representatives turned a blind eye to the activities of the banking industry over many years, and it’s for this reason and this reason only, we now see senior members of the banking profession retiring on massive severance payments and pensions, purely because politicians within the walls of Leinster House could not, and cannot afford to rock the boat by denying these people golden handshakes for all their troubles. The people have always know that the banking industry operated like Del boy, the people have always known that the banking industry was a law onto itself and yet our political representatives came out with bulging eyes wide open when they allegedly discovered improprieties within the banking industry. Let us not forget, this government spent billions of taxpayers money without a single thought for the consequences such expenditure would have on the everyday lives of Irish citizens should the economy go into freefall in the future.

Haughey once told us to “tighten our belts” and now Lenihan appeals to the people to “do your patriotic duty”, as our young Irish skilled workforce huddle and queue in line to board boats and planes in search of work in foreign lands while our politicians stand at the quayside waving them goodbye, only to plank their well fed bottoms on the leather seats of their new Mercedes Benz cars. Ireland’s political answer to Ireland’s economic problems, tax the people to extinction and send the rest of them on the emigration trail.
While supporters of this political madness justified the trickle of jobs losses in recent years as being a shift from a low skilled workforce to a highly skilled and motivated workforce that they basked in a fairy tale belief that Ireland was a globally positioned landmark for high technology industries to locate and remain.
“You're talking bullshit. “The economy isn't contracting, as you claim, its growing by 6 per cent per annum. Since 2000 manufacturing output has increased by 28 per cent, not as good as in the late 1990s, but comparing very favourably with other EU countries - the increase in manufacturing output in the EU as a whole since 2000 is about 4 per cent. There is always a small loss of jobs from the least profitable sectors of the economy.” 1
Cowan is in a corner, how can he justify squeezing more taxes and levies out of ordinary working people while at the same time turn a blind eye to people who find it difficult to maintain three houses and pay for servants out of their miserable salaries of millions. How can he convince the people that they need to tighten their belts for the good of the country, while at the same time throw crumbs of gesture to the peasants by offering them a gesture that the political establishment would take a pay cut; as he looks for other ways in which to reimburst his Leinster House chums for a reluctant gesture that is aimed at convincing us all that we as a nation are collectively obliged to accept our individual portion of blame for the economic mismanagement that was manufactured by others.
“This is a load of claptrap. The job losses in this country have been in the low skilled Manufacturing sector. It is an inevitable consequence of a dynamic economy that is successful. There is a huge Government surplus. This is modern economics and so far it is been sustained. Of course it cannot be guaranteed but that is the way it is .It would not be any different if we were all working in indigenous industries. If this is indymedia it is no different to the shite spewed forth by the Indo every day of the week. If the economy does go belly up there is so will immigration .Factors such as interests rates are largely ouside forces. The economy is in a good position to weather it.” 2

Recapitalise the banks, yea let’s recapitalise the banks, pump billions of taxpayers money into an institution that still has not come clear about its toxic debts. And while we pump billions into the banks, let us ignore the suffering and pain of those who find themselves unemployed and under threat from the same banks who threaten to repossessed their homes due to default of mortgage payment. When it comes to ordinary taxpayers making a sacrifice, he has no reluctance in pointing out the pains we must endure and the tablets we must take.
‘Taoiseach Brian Cowen has today expressed the hope that public-sector workers will decide not to take industrial action over the imposition of the pension levy…….Speaking in Tallaght after the launch of a new project to extend the Luas rapid rail line to Citywest, Mr Cowen said: “Obviously one would be disappointed if industrial action were to be an outcome here."…………. "I hope it would be the intention of everyone not to affect the services that people depend on because the public services are important to people in the months and years ahead.” 3
When it came to answering a question about the banking sector, he once again done what every politician is a crafts person at doing, talking a load of baloney and going around in circles. Yes, the government is going to recapitalise the banks. No, it cannot at this moment say to what extent the toxic debts are within these banks. And by the way, while the government would like to go in and conduct an audit into the financial affairs of the banks, it really would not like to upset the lads just in case the government is sucked with the rest of the nation into a gigantic arsehole that it cannot get out of, nor will have not a single hope of seeing light within the near future. If the banks are to be recapitalised by the taxpayer, then the taxpayer and not the government must have an interest in a recapitalisation that guarantees those who are indebted to the banks that they will not have their homes reposed unless all forms of mediation has been exhausted and a statutory body is established that will examine and make a decision on every case of home repossession.
“On the recapitalisation of the banks, Mr Cowen said: “Those discussions are ongoing and we hope to finalise them shortly. I would make the point that since the guarantee scheme was introduced we have the ability as Government under this remuneration oversight committee to look at all areas of remuneration in the banking sector for those institutions that are covered by the guarantee. They will be reporting in the coming weeks to the Minister for Finance and we expect those recommendations will be implemented.”4

While Minister Dempsey blames Dublin Bus and the CIE group of companies for all the woes in our transport sector, Minister Dempsey fails to tell us that the stagnation within our public transport system was brought about by his department and the pen pushing officials who know more about running an efficient transport system as they do about kite flying. A classical example of this interference, and its only one, is the ridiculous procedures our public transport company must take when proposing a new bus route. After conducting extensive market research into the need for a service in a particular area, the drawing up of plans and scheduals for that service and the allocation of buses to service the new route, the company must first submit it’s proposal to the Minister’s office where the proposal is considered and then put out to tender so that other operators can bid for the new route. In other words Dublin Bus does all the donkey work and the private sector cherry picks the routes they primarily see as providing a service that will secure the greatest financial return and not a public transport service that will be of benefit to all the people. While Dempsey blames Dublin Bus for all our transport woes, Fine Gael thinks the answer lies with the private sector, as if the private sector is immune from traffic congestion, the driving standards of the taxi industry and the rediclious lack of enforcement in regulations that would allow buses travel uninterrupted throughout the city and county. Once again, yet another department is seen as being totally blind and ineffective when addressing the real problems associated with the provision of public transport. And yet Dublin Bus and Bus Eireann is forced to cut services, lay off employees and re-schedual routes, as the government calls for cut backs but continues to spend billions on a metro system that will more for image and the business class rather than the majority of people who make up this nation. If we need cutbacks, then the government must look at projects that are not essential and can be placed on the shelf until the economy returns to prosperity.

If the government and the political establishment want ordinary people to make sacrafices, then they themselves must start at leading by example. The start must begin with the levels of pay politicians receive in this small country of 4million people, that pay must be gauged in comparison to political representatives in other countries where their populations far exceeds that of Ireland. When the Taoiseach can command a salary that is greater than the President of the United States, then questions must be asked about who is fooling who.
Politicians expenses are by far way in excess of political representatives in other EU countries. If our political leaders want to lead by example then they can do their patriotic duty by spending more time in the Dail trying to find solutions to our economic problems instead of taking unacceptable holiday breaks that are denied to all other citizens. If they want everybody else to be patriotic then let us start with them.
Irrespective of a financial meltdown in the banking sector, Ireland would struggled to maintain a level of employment into the future, simply because the emergence of eastern bloc countries into the EU means that multinational companies will find a new source of tax breaks that come within emerging economies that can provide a source of cheap and eager labour.
‘When economic growth first began in the 1990s, production costs in Ireland were relatively cheap. Together with the low corporation tax of 12.5 percent and various tax breaks introduced after 1997, this was a major factor in attracting vast levels of foreign investment into the country. Now, however, things have changed. Developing economies such as India and China, as well as the states in eastern Europe, can easily undercut wage levels in Ireland.’5

For it’s part the EU is more interested in the security of power through numbers than it is in the economic welfare and prosperity of it’s people. From an Irish political point of view the decline in our health services, our education system and the sorry state of our public transport system, is a testament to the collective irresponsibility of Dail Eireann and all those who walk its corridors.
The Celtic Tiger gave ordinary working people one thing and one thing only; the ability to borrow, and now its payback time.
“We are being watched all over the world and the world is seeing that this is a cowboy economy run by cowboys,” said one, who stands to lose almost his entire investment in the company. 6

The banks did not cause all our internal owes, yes external banking factors precipitated in what we see in our banking system today, but the problem in the health of our state finances was brought about by political mismanagement and incompetence, that that has left the future prospects of our people on very dangerous ground. You can blame the banks as much as you like, but the people who we elected and trusted to manage our economy has failed the Irish people in every possible way. They have milked and lined their own pockets out of the financial resources of the state. They now ask us all to pay through financial hardship for the problems they themselves brought about through their lack of leadership and responsibility.
Why should Ryan Tubridy or anybody else take a pay cut when the government has its priorities in the wrong place. Do we really need a Metro, do we really need an extension to the Luas system when Dublin Bus already services the areas the new Luas line will duplicate. Do ministers really need to change their cars every two years and does a government in a country as small as Ireland really need a state jet when a national airline can provide all the facilities needed for ministerial travel. Do people have to suffer because the government won’t spend public money in our health service, while at the same time hand the banks billions of Euro in order to bail them out. Do our children have to suffer through the decline in our education system while the government stands idly by as bankers are paid millions of Euro, who then walk away from a problem we are all asked to dig deep into our pockets, be patriotic and save our country. When bankers celebrate record profits, what they really have done is squeezed the financial resources out of ordinary working people, self employed people, small industries and a variety of other industries that helped keep people in employment.

The problem with the recession of present rather than of past is that our people are by far better educated and are neither susceptible nor gullible to the waffling of politicians who promise everything but provide nothing. Our people will not allow once again the wool to be pulled over their eyes by the games of past, where politicians used community employment schemes and FAS training courses, that allowed them to hide the real problems of unemployment. I am not prepared to take a pay cut unless I see evidence that those at the top as well as our political leaders are taking a substantial cut in their earning, bonuses and perks. Let the same politicians who stand at the grave of Wolfe Tone or proudly speak of Padraic Pearse, show the Irish people that they themselves are as patriotic about their country as they expect the rest of us to be.
“When Dell decides to either reduce operations or leave Ireland, do not hold your breath because Intel will be very quickly hot on its trail with great speed. And when the major multinationals decide its time to go then why not show this comment and opinion to your local political representative and say that a small, unimportant but concerned individual seen the writing on the wall long before the elected representatives of this country were willingly prepared to inform the people.”7
When Dell decided to reduce its workforce the government went into panic mode and dispatched a minister to the Dell headquarters in America. Although Dell did not pack up and run to Poland where it would find greener pastures, the pull out of Dell in Ireland is not a case of will they stay, but when will they go. It is also very notable to see that Intel came out practically immediately, trying to reassure the government that the company had no intention of leaving Ireland, well not at this moment in time. Don’t hold your breath, that pullout is just around the corner.
We are about to see industrial rest at a level never seen before in the state. Those who cry for change and reduction in the public sector may be better off looking to the trade union movement in an effort to try and protect the little they have, for if this government has its way, we will all be living on charity and huddling in groups in order to keep ourselves warm. When the banks are evicting women and children from their homes our political leaders will be ducking and diving and talking rings around themselves in order to confuse those who question their actions. When you are sitting in a hospital for hours waiting for a doctor to examine you and find he does not turn up for his public patients because he or she is too busy with their private clients or their golfing game went that little bit longer than anticipated, just remember you will still be able to take the Luas into town or board the Metro, that’s if you can still afford to pay the fare.

References

1. John-dunaree2000. Fri Mar 03, 2006
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/74609#comments
Referenced: 09-02-2009

2. Parishpump – none. Sat Mar 04, 2006
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/74609#comments
Referenced: 08-02-2009

3. Irish Times.com Mon, 09 Feb 2009
http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/general/14917842/?v...ndard
Referenced: 09-02-2009

4. Irish Times.com. Mon, 09 Feb 2009
http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/general/14917842/?v...ndard
Referenced; 09-02-2009

5. Shilton. Jordan, ‘Economic troubles mark the end of Ireland’s “Celtic Tiger’
World Socialist Website, wsws.org
Referenced; 09-02-23009

6. Irish times.com, January 20, 2009 http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/0120/123....html
Referenced: 09-02-2009
7. Travers. Jim. 02-03-2006
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/74609#comments#
Referenced: 09-02-2009

author by Marypublication date Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:32author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The best idea I've heard for a responsible long term solution to the banking crisis so far:

"In a statement, the party's finance spokesman Richard Bruton said the Government should urgently consider other options, including the creation of 'good banks' with clean balance sheets."

The above appeared a little while ago at http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0210/banks.html

author by Tarapublication date Tue Feb 10, 2009 13:34author address author phone Report this post to the editors

As a soverign state, we need a "Bank of The Republic of Ireland" which is directly and fully accountable to the citizens of the Republic of Ireland through our democratically elected representatives.

Allowing for the extremely scary "DERIVATIVES" black-hole-nightmare, which is really of unknown dimensions apparently -- because it's such a multi-faceted, convoluted, and completely incomprehensible mess that is unlikely to ever be properly disentangled -- but which is perhaps in the region of several hundreds of trillions of US dollars at least, it's well time for us to now stop the non-elected clique of corrupt and tyrannous global bankers from unlawfully controlling our Government (Executive, Legislative, and Judicial) from behind the scenes: and to ensure that they never, ever, get the opportunity to do so again.

"Black Hole of Derivatives Debt":

Google: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Black+Hole+of+Deri...f&oq=

Yahoo: http://uk.yhs.search.yahoo.com/avg/search?fr=yhs-avg&p=...0Debt

One estimate of the size of the "Derivatives Debt" (from the "Prison Planet" web site at http://www.prisonplanet.com/no-to-the-paulson-bernanke-....html ) puts it at "between by 1 and 2 quadrillion US Dollars".

For definition of "quadrillion" see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrillion .

author by Mathematician.publication date Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:42author address author phone Report this post to the editors

A bit off topic I know but Wiki is a bit out of date.

The definition of a "Billion" has now been standardized across all English speaking countries as "One Thousand Million".

The British dropped their "Million Million" definition twenty five years ago in the interests halting all the confusion.

author by Public Sector Worker.publication date Wed Feb 11, 2009 13:20author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Sarcastic article about us in today's Irish Times:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2009/0211/1....html

The private sector has no appreciation of the Public Sector.

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author by Mathematicianpublication date Thu Feb 12, 2009 15:20author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Got this comparison of Irish Government salaries versus those of other governments.

Its only 15 months old......but it seems like a million years ago now.

Link:

http://thatsireland.com/2007/10/26/willie-o%E2%80%99dea...eney/

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author by Paddy Hackett - nonepublication date Sun Feb 15, 2009 16:17author email rasherrs at eircom dot netauthor address Irelandauthor phone Report this post to the editors



February 2009-02-12

Ireland and Economic Depression
By Paddy Hackett

The world economy has plunged into a sustained economic depression. The
signs are that this depression will be deep and prolonged. The main way by
which capitalism can come out of the depression is by reducing both the
living standards and employment conditions of the working class. The only
other solution is social revolution involving the seizure of power from the
capitalist class by the working class involving the establishment of a world
communist federation. Because of the peculiarities of the Irish situation:
booms powered by bubbles and a government that instead of storing up its
surplus tax returns in anticipation of future contingencies squandered it.
The surplus revenue was used to bribe sections of the electorate into
voting them back into power. It was also used to subsidise its capitalist
friends such as property developers and bankers.

Since the outset of the depression this same Irish government has been
engaged in a sustained attack on the working class. This is its way of
taking the Irish economy out of recession. It seeks to achieve this by
dividing the working class --pitting worker against worker. At present the
government is encouraging division of private sector workers from public
sector workers. In this way it hopes to launch a successful offensive
against public sector workers. Victory here will increase the government’s
self-confidence while tending weaken to weaken the working class as a whole.
Consequently the chances of the government successfully launching further
attacks on public and private sections of the working class in the Irish
Republic is enhanced. Public sector workers are among the most unionised
section and politically more advanced of the working class. This helps
explain how this strata of the working class has managed to maintain
relatively better living standards and conditions of work and social life.
This is why the government has been striving to defeat it. The government
hopes to restructure the civil service as a means of disorganising public
sector workers. It hopes that restructuring with the aid of new technology
will put civil service workers out of work. In this way their resistance can
be undermined in the way that workers within the private sector were
disorganised and disarmed. The introduction of new technology restructured
the composition of the working class. The effect of this development
weakened and demoralised the working class. It is imperative, therefore,
that the working class stoutly resist this sustained offensive being mounted
by the government against it. This defensive action must involve strike
action eventually culminating in the general strike together with the
setting up of workers councils for the organisation of economic, social and
political life. To achieve this the current character of the trade union
must be replaced by communist unions of the working class. These communist
unions, in contrast to the present condition of the unions, must be
inherently democratic. They must have minimum centralisation and maximum
democracy. Preceding this workers must struggle to set up workplace
committees as a means of organising against the bosses and the leadership of
the trade unions.

The government actively encourages mass immigration into the Republic on an
unprecedented scale. Again this forms part of the strategy of promoting
division within the working class. This is designed to weaken the working
class in the Irish Republic. The mass immigration of labour power into the
Republic is intended to drive the price of labour power down. It also tends
to hinder the prospects of the Irish working class organising itself into a
unified politically conscious class force. The pressure imposed on high
profile corporate, banking and media figures with super high salaries to
take a voluntary cutback in their salaries is just a ploy to exert further
pressure on workers to accept wage cutbacks.

The present depression is a result of capitalism’s failure to let the
economic system follow its cyclical downswing whereby capitalism cleanses
itself of less profitable enterprises. This leads to a restoration of
profitability and greater sustained economic activity. Instead the
capitalist class through the medium of the state modified downswings through
interventionist activity. This is because the ruling class feared a
generalised depression because of the threat of a challenge capitalism and
its state. But the more the cyclical behaviour of capitalism is modified and
prevented from completing its cycle the greater, more intense and universal
the crisis. The signs are that we have now been plunged into such an
economic depression. However no amount of subjective interventionism will
arrest it this time.

The growing reserve army of the unemployed means that the production of
surplus value, total profits, has diminished. This means that there exists
less resources from which to meet state expenditure. This forces the state
to cut spending, increase taxes and borrowing. Borrowing is just a form of
future taxation with a difference. Interest must be paid which amounts to an
addition to future taxation. This constitutes a further deduction from
total profits which further adversely affects investment conditions. This
tends to spiral downwards. This means that the Irish economy will have to
further contract to reproduce the conditions for recovery. This means that
spending cuts, taxation and borrowing must be further increased.

We have now entered a new historical epoch. Politics will never be the same
again. Ireland is heading, as a minute and relatively insignificant
component of the capitalist economy into a deep and prolonged economic
downturn. Under these new conditions of sustained economic stagnation the
class struggle will sharpen. As things progress capitalism’s obsolescent
character becomes increasingly visible. This economic depression can only be
resolved in two ways: Revolution or reaction.

At present the leadership of the working class (trade union and political
leadership) has been offering solutions that are intended to rescue
capitalism. The rescue of capitalism can only be achieved at the expense of
the working class. There exist no significant political forces advocating a
solution necessitating the transcendence of capitalism. The latter solution
has not been seriously mooted within the public sphere. Communists must
begin to build a communist political force if the class interests of the
working class is to be served. This can begin by organising of circles of
communist intellectuals. Such a communist intelligentsia conducts an
intellectual struggle to propagate communist doctrine. As the intelligentsia
develops and spreads its influence it can ideologically and politically link
up with the more advanced sections of the working class to form a communist
party.

The throwing out of work of masses of workers weakens the working class both
objectively and subjectively. It as no surprise then that the working class
may initially show less resistance under conditions of growing
unemployment.

Having said this there is an opportunistic element embedded in the
depression. These are companies that are using the downturn as a pretext for
laying off workers, making workers labour harder and imposing wage cuts.
These are companies that are not necessarily too adversely affected by the
downswing. They are companies hoping to use the depression to increase
profits by cutting costs. The government are guilty of a similar strategy in
relation to the public sector workers. They have been mounting a campaign
against the public sector workforce from well before the depression. In
these circumstances workers must demand that the books of companies be
opened to the workers for inspection.

Paddy Hackett

author by Sievepublication date Sun Feb 15, 2009 17:50author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Quoting earlier post:

"As a soverign state, we need a "Bank of The Republic of Ireland" which is directly and fully accountable to the citizens of the Republic of Ireland through our democratically elected representatives."


Nothing is directly and fully accountable to us via the politicians. Never has been. For a start, we 'employ' these people at election time, and have no method of firing them early (unless they split by themselves), so, they themselves are not fully accountable for years at a time. The thought that we can then rely on them to hold anyone else to account doesn't hold much water.

author by fintan o'mpublication date Mon Feb 16, 2009 18:47author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I would disagree vehemently with Mr. Hackett. Nationalization and other elements of the Communist Manefesto have never brought anything but poverty, and the methods required to impose Communism have always given rise to thuggish elites and brutal repression. Much better to put up with well regulated capitalism and the constitutional and legal principles of liberal democracy to protect individual and community rights against thuggery and abuse of power from the right and left. Self-regulation has never worked in any system, however, it is inherent to communism which eskews any balance of power or rule of law. At least liberal capitalism is capable of reform and regulation for the common good.

However, I would make an exception of the financial sector (as I would of health, education, civil administration, and the justice system). The maintenance of a financial system which serves the people requires that the banks and insurers are taken out of the sphere where shareholder value is the ultimate determinant. Neither is it necessary that they be nationalized. The credit unions and the great health mutuals that operate in France and other countries provide the best template. These financial institutions are owned neither by the state nor by private shareholders. They are owned mutually by the members who use their services ,and any profits go back into providing better benefits for the members.

The final part of the jigsaw is to empower people as consumers. Consumer power is the best antidote to overweening private corporations, an arrogant state, and corporativist unions, whose brief is to promote sectional interests and private profit against the interests of individual people.

Communism is as much a relic of the past as un-regulated capitalism.

author by LeD, fan of contact.iepublication date Mon Feb 16, 2009 23:04author address author phone Report this post to the editors



Please read below a letter addressed to all public representatives edited from a letter posted on propertypin.com. http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=1839...rt=15.

I have sent this letter to all public reps (and have asked all my contacts to do same) through the wonderful machine that is contact.ie, I urge you to do the same, please copy/edit this letter as you wish and use contact.ie to send to all politicians.

I am also sending a version to all media, as this crucial link in the golden shit circle of scandals is being completely ignored by them.

I hope all readers will see the importance of circulating this as widely as possible a.s.a.p.

Edit / Copy /Embellish

Dear Public Representative,

An article in Feb 7th's Irish Examiner stated that 6 members of the governments cabinet have refused to answer a recent enquiry as to whether they had received loans from Anglo Irish Bank. http://www.examiner.ie/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-q...1.asp

These very people have made the decision to guarantee Anglo Irish Bank which will end up costing the tax payer billions of euro, reportedly against the direct advice of the central bank and the Dept.of Finance and many other independent economists.

By refusing to answer such a simple question I have no choice but to let my suspicions run wild. Has Seanie been giving "dig outs" to nearly half the cabinet, past and present? Have loans to members of the government/Dail/Senate been written off, or have they at any time held CFDs on Anglo's shares. Or indeed have they been giving Seanie their "winnings on the gee-gees" for safe keeping?

Was the decision to guarantee Anglo Irish Bank guided by personal considerations rather than by the greater good of the country as a whole?

As a public representative are you prepared to stand by and let the possibility of such criminal activity to go unpunished? I sincerely hope not.

I also hope that you will bring this matter before the Dail /Senate /Gardai /C.A.B as a matter of urgency.

I would implore you to disrupt Dail proceedings until such time as Brian Cowen gives an undertaking that all mambers of this government, Cabinet ministers/T.D.'s/Senators/M.E.P’s will make a full public disclosure as to whether or not they have received loans from or held shares in Anglo Irish Bank.

Yours Sincerely,

Related Link: http://www.examiner.ie/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=opinion-qqqm=opinion-qqqa=general-qqqid=83921-qqqx=1.asp
author by radioearpublication date Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:33author address author phone Report this post to the editors


This morning Ryan Tubridy invited two guests on to his show (a historian, an ex mititary man) to discuss and compare the chances of a coup in Ireland today compared to the near coup situation here in the 1930's.

After reaching the conclusion (with 3 sighs of relief) that the likelyhood of a coup in Ireland today was very remote Tubriday wondered.. but what if members of the government were seen to have acted illegally? Aha! Then (according to these coup specialists) the Gardai would indeed go in and arrest these members of government and after banging them up the army and the Gardai would take charge until we have elected our alternative.

Any gardai or soldiers reading? Oh there you are! what's taking you people so long?
Come to think of it, forget it.......I hear they're doing a piece on Revolutions tomorrow!

author by Eh?publication date Thu Feb 19, 2009 19:35author address author phone Report this post to the editors

radioear,
Being a fool and completely incompetant is not as of yet, a crime. With this in mind what do you suggest the Gardai and army should imprison the elected government for?

Its not for the army or the Gardai to remove a government, its for the people as a whole through democracy. Thats is of course assuming you believe in democracy instead of a state run by an unelected military or police dictator.

author by Shoegirlpublication date Wed Mar 18, 2009 15:15author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The problem here Jim is that this is the future that not only FF but their very powerful and well rewarded supporters have happily perpetuated. How many people here can put their hands up and say, yes, I voted FF because they were perceived to have done "favours" for me in the past, or believed that they would "look after me" in the future? I'm sure lots. And not all of them are knuckle draggers either. Some can even stand up and walk on 2 feet instead of 4. Until solid anti-corruption measures are put in place to prevent cronyism, there isn't a lot of point in looking for just one layer to change. The whole of Irish society needs to change.

It will destroy FF and potentially "community based" parties such as SF who depend on the same kind of favour-giving, albeit at a different level. The sad reality is this is what "nationalism" has brought us - the total destruction of ourselves.

author by Hugh Murphy - Sacked by Belfast employers and ITGWUpublication date Wed Mar 18, 2009 16:12author address author phone Report this post to the editors

It's hard to object when he's paying you.
AT THE TOP, HAS THE TERM WORKER AND EMPLOYER BEEN MERGED.
It's good to see that the government has stopped Directors of Banks becoming or continuing to be directors of other companies, this is because of a conflict of interest ,such as happened at Anglo Irish Bank. While in the long term this may bring stability back to the Banking System, will the same criteria be used the other way around.

By this I mean, will someone who - for instance, is a Leading Member of ICTU be barred from taking a directorship in the Central Bank, or indeed any other Bank...? Did the non executive directors who were essentially Watchdogs, by their 'Silence' play any part in the downfall of the World Economy and the Irish Economy...? Where the non executive directors - many who are leading Trade Unionists, simply required to 'rubber stamp' decisions of high finance ,which, in the main, involved billions of euros and were way above their heads.

Is there not an inherent Conflict of Interest whereby Trade Unionists have betrayed their raision detrth and sat in the boardrooms of the worst culprits and behaved - to all intents and purposes - as if they were employers...?

While the 100th anniversary of the founding of ITGWU/SIPTU has just passed, has the lot of the working class really progressed from what it was a 100 years ago...? Well in one respect it has. Back then, workers representatives would not have been given seats on the board. The problem today is, when workers representatives sit on the boards of companies - do they still represent workers...?

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