Movement: People

by Mairtin MacMaolain Tue Apr 20, 2010 22:25

Excellent film- well done!! hope that you are able and willing to make many more of them!! They are capable of inspiring others to explore the road of activism and surely that is what we need in these days...plant the seeds and the fruits will follow

by Dermot Lacey Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:33

Not sure if some people on Indymedia would welcome this comment but I thought the film was a beautiful piece of work that highlighted real values of decency and justice that should be at the heart of the Socialist/Social Democratic agenda.

by Plato - Live in hope Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:05

What should be at the heart of Socialism is the provision of vital services free at the point of delivery. A concept that is usually beyond PD types and faux socialists.

by Dermot Lacey Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:14

Ah Plato you did not let me down. I was expecting your comment - not necessarily from you but from someone.

To repeat I am not a Socialist. I am a Social Democrat and a happy member of the broad Socialist family. There are aspects across the spectrum of the Left where i lean more one way than the other but in general Social Democracy defines me.

Above all I am a pragmatist. I believe in delivering real improvements to make life better for my community. i will satnd up my record to many on the far left for scrutiny any time. Of course I have done that by seeking re-election in 1999, 2004 and 2009 and the response has been reasonably favourable from my point of view. Perhaps you don't like democracy. I do.

I also liked the film - which is where I came in.

by Plato - ABL Fri Apr 23, 2010 09:00

Nobody with a modicum of decency has the slightest interest in you or your ego, all that we seek is that you get honest and join the PDs or Fine Gael where your ideology will receive a welcome. You insult the name of the founding fathers of the Labour moverment with your neo-con ideology. Following the passing of the disgraceful budget that removed the waiver, which attacked the income of most vulnerable in our community-who have already suffered a cut in income at the hands of your bedfellows in govenrment- the Indo reported you as follows,
"Labour's Dermot Lacey said the budget was something to be proud of given the state of the economy. The budget with the changes to the waiver was pushed through 32 votes to 16"
Proud of taking food out of the mouths of the poorest? you creep. Crawl away from Labour and stop besmirching its good name. Lacey and Labour in the one sentence is a sickening sight.

by Dermot Lacey Fri Apr 23, 2010 09:17

Plato,

You know, except clearly you are not honest enough to admit it, that Councillors now have no control over waste issues. That is down to the only victory that you and your like had, the removal of these powers from Councillors.

When we did have those powers and in particular when I had the power, I used my casting vote to protect the waiver. That is honest representation - something which sadly Far Left posters no little about as you wallow in your own self generated purity and uselessness..

I am proud to be a member of a Party founded by James Connolly and Jim Larkin and led so hounourably during our key founding days by Tom Johnson - one of the true greats of the Irish Left.

by Plato - ABL Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:48

Now you are telling us that Connolly would have voted away a waiver scheme for the most vulnerable in our community.!!! Your dishonesty is boundless and sickening.

by Dermot Lacey Fri Apr 23, 2010 14:39

Plato,

You are either lieing or you do not know what you are talking about>

I voted to protect a waiver you and your colleagues are responsible for the power to protect the waiver being taken out of our hands. By the way it would also be a bit honest of you to post under your real name and identify yourself. i am prepared to do so.

by Interested observer Fri Apr 23, 2010 14:48

Do you not remember voting for the abolition of the waiver just before Christmas? If this has slipped your mind, it raises seriously questions about your priorities...

by Dermot Lacey Fri Apr 23, 2010 15:40

Clearly you are not very Observant at all:

1) There was no vote on this issue.

2) Even if there was a vote it would have made no difference as the power on this was removed from us. This was ensured by the Far left.

3) When we did have the power I did vote to protect the waiver and we did do.

by Plato Mon Apr 26, 2010 09:11

Why do you repeatedly deny that you support the imposition of charges? In the case of the bin charges, it was obvious to anyone with more than two brain cells that waivers would be abolished when the charges bedded in. This is a report carried after the council meeting of the 21st Dec last.

“Dublin City Council (DCC) last night voted to increase rent in social housing, to raise bin charges and to remove waivers on bin charges for poorer tenants.
At its budget meeting last night, councillors elected to DCC voted to introduce a range of measures which will impact the living standards of many of Dublin's poor. Councillors agreed to increase waste collection standing charges by €5 from €91 to €96 for the 240 litre grey bin, and by €4 from €74 to €78 for the 140 litre grey bin.”

Is this report incorrect? Stop trying to hide behind the “reserved function” smokescreen, the fact is that you voted to adopt the budget which included the removal of the waiver. It is time you left the Labour Party and join with those of like mind, maybe you could front a campaign to resurrect the PDs. You and your kind have done, and continue to do, great damage to the Labour movement by hanging around where you do not belong.

by Dermot Lacey Mon Apr 26, 2010 09:41

Plato,

First of all I have never said I am opposed to charges. In fact I have said the opposite. The simple fact is that when Councillors had the power to protect a waiver - we did. The far Left managed to campiagn against such protection

The report you qoute is simply wrong and whats worse I believe you know it to be wrong but it panders to your prejudice so you repeat it.

I am proud of my membership of the Labour Party for over thirty years and for the fact that the voters have returned me to the Council in 1999. 2004 and 2009 having first joined the Council in 1993.

Perhaps Plato it is you who might be wrong and out of touch.

Dermot

by Plato Tue Apr 27, 2010 08:12

I suppose you can be forgiven on account of your apparent ignorance of the way things work. As pointed put to you, once charges are introduced, things such as waivers soon dissappear. The fact is that such charges work against the principle of wealth distribution and in fact distribute wealth upwards. Have a go at understanding the basics and you will quickly see that you joined the wrong party.
And the recent report on litter, which paints a picture of a heavily littered state, clearly shows that we now have the worst of all worlds regarding refuse. Again, this outcome was clearly flagged in advance of the decision to impose charges. The same will happen when water charges are introduced, the most vulnerable will see their access to water impeded as happened in the UK. but than that sort of thing shouldn't bother a neo-con ideologue.

And your defending of a Fianna Fail Minister, who removed certain powers from democratically elected representatives, by suggesting that people from the "left" somehow are responsible, is pathetic but it underlines where your ideological allegiances really lie.

by Dermot Lacey Tue Apr 27, 2010 09:52

Plato,

You really do demonstrate and your cowardice by continuing to hid behind a false identity. The simple fact is that I do support charges as do very many other people. The far left in Ireland of course are more interested in ideological purity than actually helping people.

The second fact is that the Far Left and your allies in FF did manage to have the power on this issue removed from Councillors. That is why part of the waiver has gone. Accept your responsibility for this. I repeat when we had the Power I voted to protect the waiver the far left voted against. We saved it when we could because of the actions of your Comrades it has partially gone.

I will accept the judgement of my comrades in Labour and the electorate to determine if I should remain a Labour Public Representative not the silly postings of a clearly a silly poster.

by children_of_lir Thu Apr 29, 2010 13:28

I don't know anyone here and I'm not taking sides, however there are many reasons why people use pseudonyms and it is their right to do so.

I encourage my children to never put their names on the internet.

A valid argument should stand up on its own.

Benjamin Franklin one of the fathers of the American Revolution employed a pseudonym: he called himself Poor Richard. He was no coward, he was a hero in the fight for independence - he put his life on the line.

by Petra Thu Apr 29, 2010 23:11

Would some kind person link me on to the thread i am looking for instead of deleting my requests ,
Petra