Stop Israeli Attack in Gaza Immediately

by Arthur Guinness Sun Jul 02, 2006 19:12

"Same old shiite, different day"

Remarkable self-awareness there. Any time someone tries to hold the Israeli government to the recognised standards of human rights and international law that are applied to any government occupying someone else's territory (whether Russian in Chechnya, the US in Iraq, China in Tibet, India in Kashmir or Serbia in Bosnia and Kosova), someone starts shrieking about "different standards for the Jews".

by Ali ibn Sharmootah Sun Jul 02, 2006 18:40

So what if the was planned ahead of time. What nation doesn't have contingency plans? Is it only the Jews who are not allowed to plan ahead? All governments have contingency plans. If not, they should be canned and replaced with a different government.

Same old shiite, different day

by 2x+good Sun Jul 02, 2006 01:32

'The detention of Hamas parliamentarians in the early hours of Thursday morning had been planned several weeks ago and received approval from Mazuz on Wednesday. The same day, Shin Bet Director Yuval Diskin presented Prime Minister Ehud Olmert with the list of Hamas officials slated for detention.'

source:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/732528.html
July 01, 2006 Tamuz 5, 5766

by Balar of the Baleful Eye Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:40

Eastern Eye
The principle that might is right is a principle of fascism. I learn from a related recent article, that Amnesty International say that 150 [+1] Palestinians have been killed by Israeli military since the beginning of the year - 25 of them children. Amnesty says that 20 Israelis have died at the hands of Palestinian militias (2 of them children).

Who knows how many are dying from insanitary conditions and powerless hospitals in the Gaza Concentratiion Camp and in the West bank.

The Geneva Convention outlaws collective punishment. One doesn't have to be an expert in international law to realise this.

add these to the above:

nightly sonic booms = terrorism.

randomly killing civilians = terrorism

1.7 million waiting for the next unanounced military assault = terrorism

As John Snow put to the Israeli ambassador on Channel Four News, the home-made rockets that are being fired on Israel pose little threat - the ambassador didn't deny this - but using some of the most sophisticated military technology on a mostly unarmed civilian population, is inexcusable.

Hamas is as democratically elected as the most right-wing Likud ggovernment ever was - except Hamas isn't a minority government.

Israel doesn't recognize the state of Palestine (despite the express recognition of this in the UN mandate that set up Israel in 1948). How then, should we take seriously Israeli demands that Hamas recognize the state of Israel?

The only fair solution is a one-state solution where Arab, Jew and Other have equal rights. This concept is alien to the state of Israel, where non-Jews are unequal under the laws. Contrast this to the treatment of Christian populations in the Occupied Territories, who suffer no such descrimination.

What eastern eye defends is rampant, irridentist nationalism and the subjugation of peoples in the belief that they are inferior. Imagine the phrase 'the Palestinians' being replaced by 'the Jews'. We've seen it before in another era. Sick!

by eastern eye Sat Jul 01, 2006 01:27

"Don't start a belligerent act , if you don't have the power to face the consequences".
The Palestinians can't fire missiles day after day and kidnap a soldier, all that a year after the withdrawal, and than start whining after the Israelis react.

by The Cat Fri Jun 30, 2006 07:07

1. The UNSG has urged the Palestinians to hand back the abducted soldier.
2. How do you guys know so much about international law? Are you international lawyers?
3. War has not begun yet. The AA fire on IAF by the Syrians yesterday has brought that closer. Israel withdrew from Gaza last August. Since then they have put up with operators bombing soft non-tactical targets, such as felafel stands.
4. PM Ehud Olmert is continuing with the policies initiated by PM Ariel Sharon.

The Cat

by Arthur Kennedy Thu Jun 29, 2006 22:37

I'm reminded of an account I read regarding a British siege of a Maori stronghold in New Zealand.

Under a white flag, an emmisary from the Maori camp approached the British. He stated "If you want us to keep fighting, you'll have to give us food and water" (paraphrase)

by Peace Thu Jun 29, 2006 22:09

The Israelis are above International law. They don't give a fuck about their war crimes so long as America stands by them. Perhaps our Politicians could put pressure on our Government to raise the issue of these war crimes in the UN?