Obama: Another American Imperialist

by Mike Novack Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:36

You need to fill this out more.

You need to tell us that Obama's programs would not be good for the people of the United States. Or more precisely, not what the people of the United States think would be good for them, etc.

You perhaps misunderstand the job description and misunderstand democracy? Obama isn't running for president of the world or president of the UN, etc. You need to leave out of this considerations of how sh*tty what he might do would be for other people in other countries except to the extent that you believe most of the people of this country would disapprove.

Because friend, if you think the real prpoblem is that we Americans are selfishly concerned with our own best interests (as we, perhaps mistakenly, believe those to be) then your problem isn't with what candidates run for office or win office but with THE PEOPLE of the United States.

Be very clear on the concept -- "democracy" That's not a system designed to produce good, just, wise, kindly, etc. etc. decisions but instead, when working properly, the decisions that "the people" want. For good or ill, no matter how self serving or foolish, etc. these decisions might be. If you want a stystem INTENDED to produce good, just, wise, kindly, etc. etc. decisions then you want to try something other than "democracy". However be advised that it's not enough to have "intent" -- the grerat difficulty is to come up with another method of decision making that in the long run makes even as good decisions as the flawed ones you get from democracy.

by Starstruck Mon Nov 03, 2008 18:37

Nice banner.
Its Coke versus Pepsi.
Doesnt matter who gets the most votes the government always wins.

Banner drop by Anarchists

by Bazooka Joe Mon Nov 03, 2008 20:36

Mike Novack says Obama is not running for President of the World so we need to focus on how his policies will effect US citizens. No he isn't an no we don't. We are concerned with how this pawn of the political elite will act with regards to US foreign policy and with regard to his economic policy which can affect us here is Ireland as we have recently discovered when the failed capitalist system went into melt-down.

With regards to Foreign Policy: Obama is relatively inexperienced so we must consider his advisors. Obamas foremost Foreign Policy advisor is Dennis Ross who strongly supported the illegal attack and invasion of Iraq. Ross has also had long links with the Project for the New American Century, a neo-con bastion as well as acting as a consultant to the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. The WINEP is a leading pro-Israel policy platform.

Ross has very recently conspired with neo-con groups like the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) to come up with anti Iranian policies. It would be hard to find anyone in the Republican party more neo-con than Dennis Ross apart perhaps from his old boss and mentor Paul Wolfowitz, under whom he worked at the Pentagon.

This is the man who will advise the next President of the United Snakes of America if generations of racism can be overcome in a day. Obama is just a clever little glove puppet.

Obama and Israel can go to Hell!

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by Jim Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:05

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

It means nothing less than the projection of American global dominance.

That is what Obama will sign up to when he swear on the Bible on Capitol Hill.

If the Bush haters thought W was bad they haven't seen nothing yet. The worst thing possible for those who are fighting the American agenda is that an American President of the grace, charisma and rhetoricaly power of Obama will be in the White House. Bush was accused of suppressing internal dissent. Obama does not need to worry - the dissenters voted for him! They actually believe what he has been selling them. The Europeans are in love with him. The Russians and Chinese and the Indians will totally underestimate him.

An Obama presidency should be our worst nightmare.

by Sceptic Wed Nov 05, 2008 13:03

This is a classic non-sequitor. Upholding the US constitution, in a formulation that is a quarter of a millennium old, does not mean anything of the kind you describe. The text in question says nor implies nothing about “global domination”.

by AL Wed Nov 05, 2008 14:25

"A majority held in restraint by constitutional checks and limitations, and always changing easily with deliberate changes of popular opinions and sentiments, is the only true sovereign of a free people. Whoever rejects it does, of necessity, fly to anarchy or despotism." (From the First Inaugural Address of former US President Abraham Lincoln, on March 4th 1861)

Related link: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=President+Lincoln,...earch

by Plato Wed Nov 05, 2008 17:05

Well at least those that have been salvinating at the prospect of a US attack on Iran will have to find some other ghoulish propect to leer over. Obama will not invade Iran and during his first term, US troops will be progressively withdrawn from the disasterous wars in the Mid East. Obama will look inwards to solve his domestic problems while ensuring a strong defensive strategy to deter aggression towards the US.

by Tom Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:19

Plato,

Do you think he will remove troops from the the myriad of US military bases dotted around the world? Bring everybody home, return the bases to the people of that country and then sit in the US in a "defensive" state of readiness?

by Rational Ecologist Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:01

Does anyone really think Obama is going to bring about real change? Sure, there will be an improvement in foreign relations and the image of the US will improve, as is already evident. Just look at who Obama is going to appoint to his cabinet. I've heard Colin Powell mentioned and that should be enough to illustrate his intentions.
Obama is not a radical but a very astute, smart politician in a system that will ensure he doesn't do anything too progressive.
Rather than giving all this energy to the US administration we should be putting more energy into creating the kind of world we want. Look at the useless shower that inhabit( inhibit) the Dáil.
Obama will be brought down by the force that brought him to power, namely the expectations, dreams and naivety of the electorate and media caught up in his marketing frenzy.
I do hope I am proven wrong but I doubt it.
Best thing he could do is to get all US citizens to read Howard Zinn's ' People's History of the US. The myth of Kennedy and Lincoln would finally be exposed. Some hope!!!

by Michael Hogan Fri Nov 07, 2008 15:33

"Best thing he could do is to get all US citizens to read Howard Zinn's ' People's History of the US. The myth of Kennedy and Lincoln would finally be exposed. Some hope!!! "

Indeed it would be wonderful if all Americans were able to read.
Let alone 'Howard Zinn's ' People's History of the US'

Because illiteracy in America is growing at an alarming rate.

I quote from: National Right to Read Foundation
Illiteracy Statistics

• 42 million American adults can't read at all; 50 million are unable to read at a higher level that is expected of a fourth or fifth grader.
• The number of adults that are classified as functionally illiterate increases by some 2.25 million each year.
• 20 percent of all graduating high school seniors can be classified as being functionally illiterate.

Which is yet another problem for the Pres. Elect B. Obama

by R Fri Nov 07, 2008 16:46

"Writing in the Washington Post Book World, reviewer Michael Kammen, a professor of American History at Cornell, wrote: 'I wish that I could pronounce Zinn's book a great success, but it is not. It is a synthesis of the radical and revisionist historiography of the past decade. . . Not only does the book read like a scissors and paste-pot job, but even less attractive, so much attention to historians, historiography and historical polemic leaves precious little space for the substance of history. . . . We do deserve a people's history; but not a singleminded, simpleminded history, too often of fools, knaves and Robin Hoods. We need a judicious people's history because the people are entitled to have their history whole; not just those parts that will anger or embarrass them. . . ." (From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_People's_History_of_the_United_States )

For a far better alternative see Hugh Brogan's "The Longman History of the United States of America".

Related link: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=The+Longman+Histor...earch

by Michael Gallagher Tue Nov 11, 2008 20:53

If Obama was any different than the rest of them, Clinton etc, he would not have been allowed to run as a candidate.

Paul Craig Roberts - Conned Again?

If the change President-elect Obama has promised includes a halt to America’s wars of aggression and an end to the rip-off of taxpayers by powerful financial interests, what explains Obama’s choice of foreign and economic policy advisors? Indeed, Obama’s selection of Rahm Emanuel as White House chief of staff is a signal that change ended with Obama’s election. The only thing different about the new administration will be the faces.

Rahm Emanuel is a supporter of Bush’s invasion of Iraq. Emanuel rose to prominence in the Democratic Party as a result of his fundraising connections to AIPAC. A strong supporter of the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee, he comes from a terrorist family. His father was a member of Irgun, a Jewish terrorist organization that used violence to drive the British and Palestinians out of Palestine in order to create the Jewish state. During the 1991 Gulf War, Rahm Emanuel volunteered to serve in the Israel Defense Forces. He was a member of the Freddie Mac board of directors and received $231,655 in directors fees in 2001. According to Wikipedia, “during the time Emanuel spent on the board, Freddie Mac was plagued with scandals involving campaign contributions and accounting irregularities.”

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