cork protest against massacre in Gaza.

by maverick - the rock that doesn't roll Thu Jan 29, 2009 18:26

'gota hope' says that:

.......carnage is being inflicted on a unarmed population in Gaza

maverick replies:

yes, a lot of men, women & children have been killed in Gaza ....but not all in Gaza are _unarmed_. someone has been firing 6,000+ rockets into Israel.

Hamas have killed IDF not with bare hands but with guns....Hamas have also murdered their own......why?

http://adamholland.blogspot.com/2009/01/gaza-hamas-tort....html

by gota hope Thu Jan 29, 2009 21:00

just to respond,
point well made maverick ,
rockets and guns.
but lets just think what do we want to happen in palestine? in israel?
how can it be achieved.
we want peace i presume.
bombing a weak and relatively(compaird to the israeli army) unarmed population.
is no way forward,
enclosing a population behind a wall and starving them is no way forward.

what is a terrorist?
Ive seen pictures of a man sheltering his son from bullets try ing to protect him.
and a soldier shoots his son killing him in his arms.if this is not an act of terrorism i dont know what is.

as is using wepons of mass distruction.Like phosphorous.

Do you think Israel is guilty of war crimes?

but lets not argue,
Israel is an occuping force , from a palestinian point of view, and its right to exist is questionable ,it was born in massacres of civilian popualtions.
So let us not be blinded by propoganda .
a state terrorist is a highly organised and leathely equipped product of
an evil and twisted idea.(am i expressing this ok?)
basicly Israel is sowing great big seeds of hatred, and
palestine needs help.
they are the opressed.

and my heart goes out to them.
sallam ,shallom peace.
and fuck war.and dont belive what you read especially propoganda.

good luck working it out.

by maverick - the rock that doesn't roll Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:51

gota hope says:

dont belive what you read especially propoganda.

maverick replies:

propaganda comes from both sides in any conflict. remember the first "shelling of a UN School" in Gaza?

John Ging, UNRWA’s operations director in Gaza, in an interview this week, acknowledged that all three Israeli mortar shells landed outside the school and that ‘no one was killed in the school.’

This is the same school where allegedly 40/50 people had been apparently sheltering & were killed, in early January.

Ging is contradicting his own original story now.

where & how did this story go so wrong? propaganda perhaps?

things are never black & white ever. it's too easy to demonise "the enemy".

in Saudi Arabian national curriculum school textbooks, Christians & Jews are demonised by being called Apes & Pigs. we won't even talk about the Goebbels-type mask, of a rabid Jewish caricature "devouring" a child, displayed at a recent Palastinian rally in London.

by David L - IPSC (pers cap) Mon Feb 02, 2009 19:34

Propaganda does come from both sides, but only one side killed over 400 kids in a three week attack on a heavily built up zone. Only one side used phosphorus when bombing civilians. Only one side herded people into a building and bombed it (by mistake, apparently). Only one side bombed schools (yes they did), and deliberately destroyed a university. Do I continue?

In the end its not particularly maverick to repeat the talk points put out by the Israeli embassy. It's somewhat disgraceful though to try and efface the carnage in Gaza, or blame it (once again) on the victims.